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ORIGINAL: thewood1
I am also starting figur out how to move AFVs with a little more independence.  Make sure I am right here:  I have my P4 HQ halt order.  I gave the two subordinate P4s different engage/move orders.  I went back to the HQ and gave it its move order.  This left the other P4s' order alone.  Is that the correct sequence?

ORIGINAL: thewood1
Now I want the P4s to automatically halt when it sees the SU76s and engage them.  Once destroyed or out of LOS, I want them to move on to the final destination.  Should I have used defend/move instead, because under engage, they fired on the move.  Most tanks crews halted to fire in WW2, except in emergencies.

ORIGINAL: thewood1

I am also starting figur out how to move AFVs with a little more independence.  Make sure I am right here:  I have my P4 HQ halt order.  I gave the two subordinate P4s different engage/move orders.  I went back to the HQ and gave it its move order.  This left the other P4s' order alone.  Is that the correct sequence?

ORIGINAL: thewood1
Now I want the P4s to automatically halt when it sees the SU76s and engage them.  Once destroyed or out of LOS, I want them to move on to the final destination.  Should I have used defend/move instead, because under engage, they fired on the move.  Most tanks crews halted to fire in WW2, except in emergencies.

ORIGINAL: thewood1
I am also starting figur out how to move AFVs with a little more independence.  Make sure I am right here:  I have my P4 HQ halt order.  I gave the two subordinate P4s different engage/move orders.  I went back to the HQ and gave it its move order.  This left the other P4s' order alone.  Is that the correct sequence?

Now I want the P4s to automatically halt when it sees the SU76s and engage them.  Once destroyed or out of LOS, I want them to move on to the final destination.  Should I have used defend/move instead, because under engage, they fired on the move.  Most tanks crews halted to fire in WW2, except in emergencies.

ORIGINAL: Rick
I'd also like better undertanding of the moving firing opportunities for the different orders -
ie for advance order - when will unit fire? and at what ROF?
same for other base orders
ie. in an engage --> move order, units will keep moving the entire 40sec and not react to enemy, unless they reach their objective - but if they reach their object they drop into DEFEND but will they still fire in that first 40 sec? I know I can order halt for Reaction phase - so Im taking about the first order phase.

ORIGINAL: thewood1
BTW, two of my P4s were lost in 30 seconds because they came into view of the SU76s and kept heading right for them only 350m away.  The P4s shrugged off the first three shots each (which happily surprised me looking at how thin the armor is on a P4g), but each kept blazing away without halting to fire and scored not hits in 2 or 3 shots,

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: thewood1
I am also starting figur out how to move AFVs with a little more independence.  Make sure I am right here:  I have my P4 HQ halt order.  I gave the two subordinate P4s different engage/move orders.  I went back to the HQ and gave it its move order.  This left the other P4s' order alone.  Is that the correct sequence?

I see you were already answered, but yes that will work.

Now I want the P4s to automatically halt when it sees the SU76s and engage them.  Once destroyed or out of LOS, I want them to move on to the final destination.  Should I have used defend/move instead, because under engage, they fired on the move.  Most tanks crews halted to fire in WW2, except in emergencies.

There is currently no order that automatically halts if it sees an enemy. The best way to do this right now is to give an order that allows movement and firing but to not have them move a long distance, so that they would stop and look around before the end of the phase if you want to be very careful. What I do is just move them forward and Halt them in Reaction if I need to. Most firing was indeed done while halted and that is a much more accurate way to fire in PCK too, but it's up to you to halt them and tell them you don't want them to keep moving to the objective. Otherwise, they'll assume they should defend themselves while still executing your movement orders.

Regards

- Erik

ORIGINAL: thewood1
IMO, either engage or defend should have the unit actually halt and fire.  In the majority of situations IRL, moving fire is at best for suppression, at worst, a waste of ammo.  I

ORIGINAL: thewood1

HEY!  Stop poaching my questions.

ORIGINAL: thewood1
I'm curious what book that report was in and what year that was.  Do you have the name of the book?

PANZER GUNNER: FROM MY NATIVE CANADA TO THE GERMAN OSTFRONT AND BACK. IN ACTION WITH 25TH PANZER REGIMENT, 7TH PANZER DIVISION, 1944-45
Bruno Friesen, C

There are few memoirs available of German Panzer crews that focus on the climactic last 12 months of the war on the Eastern Front, 1944-45. What makes Bruno Friesen's account virtually unique is his family background: his parents came from a German-speaking Mennonite community in Ukraine, and were to all intents and purposes culturally German. To make matters even more complex, in 1924 his parents left the Ukraine for Canada, where Bruno was born. In March 1939 he and his brother Oscar found themselves on a ship bound for Bremerhaven in Germany. He barely spoke German, and had never been to Germany, nevertheless his father envisaged that a better life awaited them in the Third Reich. Needless to say, Bruno became caught up in the Second World War, and in 1942 was drafted into the Wehrmacht. The author provides a full account of his family background, and how, through these unusual circumstances, he found himself a Canadian-born German soldier. The bulk of the book is a detailed account of the author's training, and his subsequent service with 25th Panzer Regiment, part of 7th Panzer Division. As the title suggests, Bruno Friesen served as a gunner aboard, initially, Panzer IVs, before crewing the lesser-known Jagdpanzer IV tank hunter. The author provides a fantastic amount of information about these two vehicles, and how the crews actually fought in battle with them. This kind of 'hands-on' detail has almost never been available before, particularly such extensive information concerning the characteristics and combat performance of the Jagdpanzer IV. Apart from providing a large fund of information about specific German tanks and their combat performance, the author writes in great detail about the combat the experienced on the Eastern Front, including tank battles in Rumania, spring 1944, Lithuania in the summer of 1944, and West Prussia during early 1945. If one wants to know how German tank crews fought the Soviets in the last year of the war, then this book provides an outstanding account, containing material simply not found elsewhere. The author closes his account by reflecting on his post-war efforts to return to Canada, which eventually succeeded in 1950, and his subsequent life there. This book is not just a critique of armored fighting vehicles and tank warfare, it is above all a very human story, told in a lively, conversational and fluid manner, and is a remarkable contribution to the literature of the Second World War.