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But, also on a old fashion W98 environment [;)]
Give me back the old and faith game. ANW in its current shape is only frustrating players
3.6 is not perfect either,but is better.... [:D]

You would think that AGSI at least paid attention to their own forum.

http://www.computerharpoon.com/forum/vi ... f0d5ad#747

We do pay attention to our forums Herman. Why are you posting this?

Folks, if you are truly so vexed by the game as it is then you have the option of playing the old version. Posting about your dissatisfaction for years on end is a bit odd to say the least.

We will continue to improve this product as we move forward.

I quite agree with rsharp. It's pointless to continuing complain about H3ANW without offering some useful and substanstial suggestions so as to improve it. If only those "VETERANs" of the game contributed more to help improve this game, instead of being nostalgic to the 1990s! The Harpoon series have no choice but to go forward, not trace back to the last decade and "encourage" newbies to play H2 or even Harpoon 1989 !(I have a copy of "Harpoon - Signature Edition (1989) (Three-Sixty Pacific), H2Admiral Editon, Harpoon3 and H3ANW, but which interested me is only the ANW. ) I don't think with the newest version at hand, I have to play the so-called "better" game with the help of Dosbox3.60 or other utilities. It's ridiculous, for it's the year of 2008, and we do have a new version. The only thing which matters is that the game need more improvement. And the significance of this forum is just to point out the problems and make contribution to fix it and improve it comprehasively.

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy

The only thing which matters is that the game need more improvement.

From the mouths of babes (and noobs)...

Good observation. [:)]

Hello "ruixilyy" - whoever you are,

I would like to comment on your statement, since it seems to be directed at me.

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy
I quite agree with rsharp. It's pointless to continuing complain about H3ANW without offering some useful and substanstial suggestions so as to improve it.

I have contributed to Harpoon since a very long time. You can find my scenarios everywhere where there is Harpoon; and you can find me at "Dr. Who´s Harpoonpages" - our "cathedral". Be careful, as a newbie, whom you attack. A little respect would be good style. No one has to tell ME about support for ANW.

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy
If only those "VETERANs" of the game contributed more to help improve this game, instead of being nostalgic to the 1990s! The Harpoon series have no choice but to go forward,
not trace back to the last decade and "encourage" newbies to play H2 or even Harpoon 1989 !(I have a copy of "Harpoon - Signature Edition (1989) (Three-Sixty Pacific), H2Admiral Editon, Harpoon3 and H3ANW, but which interested me is only the ANW. )

If you have read my statement with open eyes you should have read the passages that I´m not nostalgic. I just offered new players a way for testing an old game engine similiar to 3.6.X thus it would be easier to follow the discussion instead of attacking people who have spent hours and hours on improving the game.

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy
I don't think with the newest version at hand, I have to play the so-called "better" game with the help of Dosbox3.60 or other utilities. It's ridiculous, for it's the year of 2008, and we do have a new version. The only thing which matters is that the game need more improvement. And the significance of this forum is just to point out the problems and make contribution to fix it and improve it comprehasively.

You simply have not read my posting carefully - I just wanted to offer an insight which could improve your Harpoon understanding. This is an offer so you can see what guys are talking about. btw don´t think I´m 60+ years old. [;)]

Russel, I hope at least you understood my posting and how it was meant.

For the newbies: Look at the screenshot I attached. One sub has eliminated a whole USN CVBG - its eyes, the Foxbat still loitering over the sunken vessels.

If you have even the slightest feeling for naval warfare you will understand that there is a weird behaviour which has to be fixed. If I´d be indifferent about fixing it I wouldn´t have posted this one.

"ruixilyy" - please consider your approach to this discussion and towards guys who have been beta testers for both ANW and HCE for years.

Best Regards,

Ralf Koelbach

Ralf,

I was questioning the rampant negativity that seems to take over this forum too often. Some users seem to believe we exist only to cause them pain yet still hang around to post about it. Surely our public relations has fostered this attitude. I believe we can only turn that around by being straight forward and open.

That said, there is a difference between the negativity that I read everywhere and constructive criticism. Let me state for the record that I believe your concerns with ASW fall on the side of constructive criticism.

ORIGINAL: koelbach

btw don´t think I´m 60+ years old. [;)

Uh, Ralf, what's wrong with being 60+?

ORIGINAL: koelbach

Hello "ruixilyy" - whoever you are,

I would like to comment on your statement, since it seems to be directed at me.

OMG, Mr. Ralf. I don't have even the little sense to "direct at YOU". (How you draw this inconceivable conclusion??) I have no intention to "attack" anyone. It's you that use such words like "attack". I totally against the opinion that "newbie have no right to say something". Without newbies, the game will at last die; without newbies, your veteran will have no more new point of view from others; without newbies, your scenarios will lose a good many players who are intersted in them.

Hi Kip,

ORIGINAL: Kip

Uh, Ralf, what's wrong with being 60+?

Nothing, of course [;)] Just wanted to explain our newbies that "Harpoon veterans" does not mean "a bunch of bitter old men, living in the glorious Harpoon 2 - DOS- times". [:)]

It was not intended to say any bad word about 60+ years old guys. [&o]

Sorry if you felt offended. Seems it is no longer possible to make any statement here without the need to explain it in next one.

Regards,
Ralf

Hello,

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy

OMG, Mr. Ralf. I don't have even the little sense to "direct at YOU". (How you draw this inconceivable conclusion??) I have no intention to "attack" anyone. It's you that use such words like "attack". I totally against the opinion that "newbie have no right to say something". Without newbies, the game will at last die; without newbies, your veteran will have no more new point of view from others; without newbies, your scenarios will lose a good many players who are intersted in them.

ok - issue solved! Misunderstanding.

There is no disagreement about the role of newbies - the game (and the community) needs as much of them as possible. And of course it is absolutely necessary that they bring in new ideas and an "unpolitical" approach which many of us "veterans" have lost due to a lot of issues happened in the past.

My only point was that - like in any forum - new guys should listen and inform themselves first before they dive "unprepared" into discussions. That´s all.

Enjoy your pooning and bring yourself in !

Best Regards,
Ralf

I didn't think that anyone was being critical or attacked. Opinions were just being exchanged.

Neither do I believe anyone was advocating the use of ancient Harpoon2. All that was said, IMO, was "if you had H2 and wanted to give it a try so that you can compare it to ANW, this is what you could do..."

Lots of good things have been accomplished lately. The "Transit mission" and the "Unarmed Units not being engaged" problems are now actively being looked at. That is probably more significant than anything that has happened in the last 6 months. Let's not lose sight of it. It happened because someone was brave enough to raise the issue. (and it certainly wasn't me who did it)

I recently played the "Attack on Kamchatka" in GC2, both in H3ANW and original H3, and I found the problem really exists (and to some extent, it's serious). The game is called "advanced naval warfare", and in the ad it says "So realistic, even the pro use it". Just compared the same scenarion in H3 and H3ANW, the problem in H3ANW is obvious.  

Did you play the version for Original DB or the PlayersDB version?

We cleaned up a lot of problems when we re-built those ODb scens into PlayersDB versions. i.e. Victory Conditions and ammunition.

ORIGINAL: koelbach


Hi Kip,

ORIGINAL: Kip

Uh, Ralf, what's wrong with being 60+?

Nothing, of course [;)] Just wanted to explain our newbies that "Harpoon veterans" does not mean "a bunch of bitter old men, living in the glorious Harpoon 2 - DOS- times". [:)]

It was not intended to say any bad word about 60+ years old guys. [&o]

Sorry if you felt offended. Seems it is no longer possible to make any statement here without the need to explain it in next one.

Regards,
Ralf

I wasn't offended, Ralf. I was attempting to inject some levity into a debate that seems to have gotten way too acrimonious. Apparently, I failed.

Hello Kip,

ORIGINAL: Kip

I wasn't offended, Ralf. I was attempting to inject some levity into a debate that seems to have gotten way too acrimonious. Apparently, I failed.

Ok - another misunderstanding solved. np Kip.

Regards,
Ralf

Hello,

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy
I recently played the "Attack on Kamchatka" in GC2, both in H3ANW and original H3, and I found the problem really exists (and to some extent, it's serious). The game is called "advanced naval warfare", and in the ad it says "So realistic, even the pro use it". Just compared the same scenarion in H3 and H3ANW, the problem in H3ANW is obvious.  

[;)]

Ok. Very good. Now that there is a common info base, things can move forward. This is all I wanted to achieve and why I recommend to take a look into 3.6.X or - if not available - in H2. Just so you can proove things for yourself.

Regards,
Ralf

Heya Ralph [;)]

When I would start responsing on this topic in German, you immediately would understand that the 60+ issue is of course nonsens. But, then I would have problems with the english-spoken community.
The [your] age is not in question at all! The Word "Veterans" may be caused the problem.

I am 50 years old, I think that most [original] H2AE, etc. etc. are a bit older as the young dogs, now operating on this forum. We are the veterans, so what. You completely are right when saying to these new dogs that they are at least are hungry and sometimes rush into old traditions and or institutions like, you name it [every movement within the old and new harpoon community count themselves under that]. Cool and a healthy base to communicate and relativating the experiences.

The childish "have right or not" ect. etc. games have made the atmosphere within this forum into a "yes" and "no" thing [how to call it?]. Boaring and irritating [yes Shemar, you should dim a bit]

Another item is of course company's policy [AGSI and H3, or ANW].
I am fully agreed with your frustrations around the improvement of a product you love so much [as well as I do], and in your private mails to me you reminded me that it is the unwillness of the owner of H3 [or now ANW 3....] that made your decision hard, but easy. I fully accept and recognize your sadness about todays situation.
I am on your side!

It is not Herman Hum, the PDB, HUD III, or db2k [in my eyes a great DB for H3.6.3. ..... I love the database, but apparantly cannot agree with the author, nor his forum.... I'm still banned overthere [:D]] That is sad.....].
AGSI must improve the game, after all, it is a commercial product, but their excuses and the growing buglist makes us people rather frustrating. They expose that on here

And it doesn't matter what age you are. It is frustrating anyway.

Hals und Beinbruch [;)]
Frans.

Hello,

thx for your kind words.

But to make some things clear:

- I´ve beeen out of Harpoon development as beta tester primarily for real life issues , - and secondarily because many of the scenarios I have written for Harpoon 3 and intended to rewrite for ANW do/will not work properly under the current ANW version. - The reason for this are not "bugs" in a narrow definition, but unrealistisc behaviour caused by the (well-meant) intention to create realistic behaviour. - I´m no "party" or side at all. - I´m not in conflict with AGSI or anyone else. - AGSI is the owner of ANW and decides how to proceed. - I´m just a customer who decides for himself if and which version of a game he plays. - The Market will decide who is right.

I wish that ANW will improve, eliminate its serious shortcomings and improve its obvious strenghts (MP, some new features like UnRep).

As for me; I will do what I can - as an independent player and scen writer - to support the simulation.

The latest developments show that there is hope. If 3.9.4 resolves some major issues, I´ll restart writing scens.

Happy Birthday, Harpoon !

Regards,
Ralf

Happy Birthday from me too [:)]

And I'm looking forward to H4ANW [:D]