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I am admittedly a latecomer to the carrier force discussion...... can someone explain how it is different from UV, and not an excuse to drop another $70 for a UV upgrade?
 
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ORIGINAL: Ike99
I have to say I´ve been wishing for a little more release of information on what ¨Carrier Force¨ is going to be exactly. Screen shots, an idea of how the tactical battles are going to be resolved, etc. etc.

Well, I guess I could be patient, but I feel the same way you do.

Maybe we'll get a separate CF forum one of these days, and all this can be hashed out (a WitP/AE forum wouldn't be unwelcome, either).

Still, I acknowledge the problems Matrix has had in the past with being maybe a little TOO forth coming on pre-release. People tend to take speculation and casual statements as promises, then get all hacked off when they think they're not being fulfilled. So, a little caution on Matrix's part is perfectly understandable, I think ... gee, look at good old tolerant me ...

Still, there are worrisome signs out there, not the least of which is the extreme shrinkage in the "coming soon" list ...

ORIGINAL: borner

I am admittedly a latecomer to the carrier force discussion...... can someone explain how it is different from UV, and not an excuse to drop another $70 for a UV upgrade?

thanks!

I'm no official source, of course, but the primary thing I have seen is that it will contain a "tactical" treatment of carrier battles, something that UV treats very abstractly. Another "improvement" is, as far as I understand, that various of the advances introduced by WitP will be "retrofitted."

That's all I know, and I don't even know that. I will tell you this. If this sucker costs 70 of what my former countrymen call "dollars," I'm way over on the sideline waiting for someone to persuade me that this is the Grail or something ...

considering the EiA disaster that is ongoing (and the minor shock that i have not yet been banned from the forums for my repeated posting there) I fully intend to wait until several others are posting that the system is both a step up from UV, but playable, and not something that should be marketed as a beta version.
 
 
 

People tend to take speculation and casual statements as promises, then get all hacked off when they think they're not being fulfilled. So, a little caution on Matrix's part is perfectly understandable, I think ... gee, look at good old tolerant me ...

Still, there are worrisome signs out there, not the least of which is the extreme shrinkage in the "coming soon" list ...

I think the thing is this...WITP is the Golden Egg, so the most effort and customer feedback goes into this and not UV. Can´t blame this for that though depending on what sales and makes most $$$

Look, they have a WITP AE air, land, navy , etc, sticky thread. And for UV/Carrier force...we are still wondering what it is exactly!

I am admittedly a latecomer to the carrier force discussion...... can someone explain how it is different from UV, and not an excuse to drop another $70 for a UV upgrade?

thanks!

ORIGINAL: borner

considering the EiA disaster that is ongoing (and the minor shock that i have not yet been banned from the forums for my repeated posting there) I fully intend to wait until several others are posting that the system is both a step up from UV, but playable, and not something that should be marketed as a beta version.

...and thanks for your courage in stating what you believe to be constructive criticism of a game for which I held out such great hopes for more than five years.

I think Marshall Ellis did very well (and I congratulate him on his perseverance) considering the sh1t sandwich he inherited. For a game even to have been stuck together in publishable form at all is a credit to his efforts.

Still, there are things to be bemoaned about the result. The game itself (which I have not mustered the courage to buy, particularly at the price being asked for it) needed to be either a direct "port" of the board game or a new product that did not purport to be such. It is lost between the two, and suffers both by reputation and sales as a result. As I say, I haven't bought or played it, so I should not judge it harshly on the score of how successful a design it is.

Perhaps the worst upshot of the whole lingering mess is what it has done to Matrix's attitude toward converting old board games into computer versions (particularly versions that satisfy the players of the old board game and that have a decent AI). Do you think, after WiF (a project of such long standing that I expect it to have grey hair when finally released) Matrix would even consider another board game "port" project?"

There are some I would really like to see attempted (some of the old VG titles like Civil War and Korea come to mind), but I think these fiascoes have pretty much put paid to any such hopes...

ORIGINAL: Ike99

... Look, they have a WITP AE air, land, navy , etc, sticky thread. And for UV/Carrier force...we are still wondering what it is exactly!

Many have noticed the very different marketing approach to CF vs. AE; Matrix brought out a brass band for the latter, but has kept CF under wraps, as per the developers wishes.

WitP has such a strong following and its forum is always active; UV had an upsurge after Christmas when some new blood was infused into this old game, but I doubt CF sales will ever come close to the financial one-two punch of WitP/AE.

But since CF isn't an add-on to UV, I assume the developers are directly addressing issues w/its code; AE is an after the fact fix that looks like an enhanced ubber-patch: that's probably because WitP's code is so complex and complicated that it's easier to "tweak it" than get into it's inner workings.

Just a guess on my part as I'm not part of either development team.

ORIGINAL: Joe D.
Just a guess on my part as I'm not part of either development team.

They sound like pretty good guesses to me. I'm just hoping that care is being taken to bring a little order to some of the chaos that I found in witP, but I also realize that my preferences are not everyone's.

If there are no show-stoppers (for me, the good old leader bug was one), I'll be content, I guess, but I'm not gonna buy either game immediately on release. I need to "see" a few things before I take the plunge again.

UCV has the same issue as a lot of Matrix games that you have a lot of "control" but not a lot of info as to what that control means. UI and information radiation is not a strongpoint for a lot of independent devs.