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RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:59 am
by panzers
Well, that is unfortunate because that's what is gonna keep me from buying it.
About the Mongol question though, The game ends when Temujin is conquering Mongolia, so, yeah, it is pre Genghis Khan, but still, you have to have a game from that era. Even though it focuses on the dark ages of Europe, it shouldn't matter because Khan eventually went into parts of Europe, but, whatever. As far as the Mongols being a Barbaric tribe or not is questionable. Yes Temujin was a brilliant Leader with his unique way of his cavalry charge, but thet are tribal in nature, so, technically, they are a very well organized and disciplined barbaric horde by definition even though they were methodical in their conquests. What bothers me, is that this time period is one of the most intriguing periods in history because never in the history of the world were there as many empires as this era. It is the perfect scenerio for wargamming. So why no games. I am very confused about that. Clearly on this forum and others, it has been discussed. So why isn't anyone making any games from this era?
Even if they make a remake of the old koei game and add a little spice to it. Very simple game, but powerful.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:12 pm
by dinsdale
ORIGINAL: panzers
Well, that is unfortunate because that's what is gonna keep me from buying it.
About the Mongol question though, The game ends when Temujin is conquering Mongolia, so, yeah, it is pre Genghis Khan, but still, you have to have a game from that era. Even though it focuses on the dark ages of Europe, it shouldn't matter because Khan eventually went into parts of Europe, but, whatever. As far as the Mongols being a Barbaric tribe or not is questionable. Yes Temujin was a brilliant Leader with his unique way of his cavalry charge, but thet are tribal in nature, so, technically, they are a very well organized and disciplined barbaric horde by definition even though they were methodical in their conquests. What bothers me, is that this time period is one of the most intriguing periods in history because never in the history of the world were there as many empires as this era. It is the perfect scenerio for wargamming. So why no games. I am very confused about that. Clearly on this forum and others, it has been discussed. So why isn't anyone making any games from this era?
Even if they make a remake of the old koei game and add a little spice to it. Very simple game, but powerful.
Crusader Kings starts in 1066. BTW, "Barbarian" is a Roman term, and shouldn't be confused for meaning backward.
Great Invasions is an excellent game, and very unique. It does what no other game I've played yet does: remove the inevitability of the end-game. It isn't possible to grow a nation without causing the problems which lead to that nation's collapse. Playing as multiple nations takes a bit of getting used to, but after a while it becomes natural and is a real piece of genius.
AI leaves a lot to be desired, plus other oddities and a dated UI, but on the whole, especially at the price, it's well worth the effort.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:48 am
by cdbeck
ORIGINAL: panzers
The game ends when Temujin is conquering Mongolia, so, yeah, it is pre Genghis Khan, but still, you have to have a game from that era.
Are you sure you don't have this confused with another game? Great Invasions ends in 1066 and Temujin (aka Genghis Khan) was not born until almost 100 years later, around 1162. So, no, this game does not cover the time period you are looking for - but Crusader Kings does.
I reiterate, the game simulates the era of the "Germanic" or "barbarian" invasions that occur at the end of Rome. This period is known, colloquially, as the Dark Ages - due to that dang meddling Petrarch (who thought he was so cool that he knew Greek that he denigrated everyone who lived before him).
And yes, as Hertson said, it is the same type of Real Time as the EU series.
Re: Dinsdale - Barbarian may be a roman term for "Barbars" originally, but it was used pejoratively, even in the Roman era and Medieval Era, to mean backwards and uncivilized peoples (non-Romans, i.e. thus they must not be civilized). The same can be said for the term "rusticus" or rustic - it may mean a person from the country, but it had the pejorative meaning similar to "bumpkin."
End of History Lesson.
The Great Invasions engine uses some special event cards and stuff like that to "spice up" the game and makes use of historical events that are not present in EUIII (but are in EUII and EU). At the low price, here or over at AGEOD, I will probably get it, as it simulates the early part of the time period I study and is like EU.
SoM
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:17 am
by panzers
ORIGINAL: Son_of_Montfort
ORIGINAL: panzers
The game ends when Temujin is conquering Mongolia, so, yeah, it is pre Genghis Khan, but still, you have to have a game from that era.
Are you sure you don't have this confused with another game? Great Invasions ends in 1066 and Temujin (aka Genghis Khan) was not born until almost 100 years later, around 1162. So, no, this game does not cover the time period you are looking for - but Crusader Kings does.
I reiterate, the game simulates the era of the "Germanic" or "barbarian" invasions that occur at the end of Rome. This period is known, colloquially, as the Dark Ages - due to that dang meddling Petrarch (who thought he was so cool that he knew Greek that he denigrated everyone who lived before him).
And yes, as Hertson said, it is the same type of Real Time as the EU series.
Re: Dinsdale - Barbarian may be a roman term for "Barbars" originally, but it was used pejoratively, even in the Roman era and Medieval Era, to mean backwards and uncivilized peoples (non-Romans, i.e. thus they must not be civilized). The same can be said for the term "rusticus" or rustic - it may mean a person from the country, but it had the pejorative meaning similar to "bumpkin."
End of History Lesson.
The Great Invasions engine uses some special event cards and stuff like that to "spice up" the game and makes use of historical events that are not present in EUIII (but are in EUII and EU). At the low price, here or over at AGEOD, I will probably get it, as it simulates the early part of the time period I study and is like EU.
SoM
OK. Not knowing much about that era, I though that scenerio started in 1066 and went into the 1100's. I guess I was thinking: since it did go into the 1100's, then why not throw that era in. That's why I thought that.
So my next question is: The Byzantines were still powerull at the time. Do they have a role in the game?
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:05 am
by Arsan
Hi
Byzantines (Easter Roman Empire) definitely are one of the main actors/powers of Great invasions.
If fact if i recall correctly they are the only nation you can play since the beginning to the end of the camping.
All the rest are born, develop, decay and fall or at least transform into something else along that period. Quite a turbulent era! [X(]
About barbars/barbarians... [8D]
I think the term was invented by the classical Greeks. They apply it to any non greek speaking nation, and certainly have a pejorative meaning. Bar-bar was the supposed gibberish noise all those non civilised people did when they talked (like blah, blah [:D])
In any case on his original meaning, "barbarian" also included highly civilized (from the actual point of view, not the ancient Greeks one) nations like Egyptians, Persians, Phoenicians...
Romans for example were barbarians to the Greeks... at least until Roma conquered and assimilate them becoming the new "civilized" nation [:D]
Regards!
Regards
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:03 am
by Primasprit
ORIGINAL: Son_of_Montfort
[...]I would like to know the max resolutions available and if we can confirm that one can play it on Vista, however. I suspect that compatibility mode should run it fine.
Highest resolution is 1024x768, windowed or full screen. I will install it on my Vista64 and report if it is running there.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:07 am
by Primasprit
ORIGINAL: Son_of_Montfort
[...]
The Great Invasions engine uses some special event cards and stuff like that to "spice up" the game and makes use of historical events that are not present in EUIII (but are in EUII and EU). At the low price, here or over at AGEOD, I will probably get it, as it simulates the early part of the time period I study and is like EU.
The price at AGEOD is 19.99$/14.99€ at the moment, I suspect it will cost the same on Matrix.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:39 am
by Erik Rutins
Yes, it should be priced at $19.99, regarding resolutions I was under the impression that it scaled to match whatever you're running at, but I'll double check that.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:11 am
by vaalen
Erik,
Some of us have the old strategy first version of the game. How will this one differ? Will there be any kind of price break for those who have the older version?
Just thought I'd ask
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:14 pm
by cdbeck
According to the Calvinus at the forum, the max resolution the game can be set to is 1024x768 (or it can be set to 800x600).
Of course, most laptops will scale this up, but at some degredation.
I don't know if it can be run in a window.
Doh... must have missed some of the earlier posts saying the same things, disregard this.
SoM
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:31 pm
by Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: vaalen
Some of us have the old strategy first version of the game. How will this one differ? Will there be any kind of price break for those who have the older version?
I don't know what version the old SF release was or what it contained, so unfortunately I can't answer that. We also have no upgrade info for other releases, but we are pricing this at $19.99 so that it won't break the bank.
Regards,
- Erik
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:03 am
by Arsan
ORIGINAL: vaalen
Erik,
Some of us have the old strategy first version of the game. How will this one differ? Will there be any kind of price break for those who have the older version?
Just thought I'd ask
Hi vaalen!
The difference between SF and new AGEOD/Matrix version is the newly released patch, that is only compatible with the new version.
But the good news are that if you have some proof that you SF game is a legit one, you can send them to the AGEOD guys and they will send you a new serial compatible with the new patch.
Check this thread about the new patch and SF games
http://www.ageod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8889
Regards
EDIT: i forgot the bad news... that most of AGEOD team is on vacations right now, so maybe you will have to wait a little for an answer [;)]
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:01 pm
by 06 Maestro
This looks interesting and will provide a good break from WW2 action. It has been added to my buy list.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:29 pm
by Seeadler
Hi, JMass!
Is there any mirror for your mod? I got problems downloading at Rapidshare.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:00 pm
by JMass
ORIGINAL: Seeadler
Is there any mirror for your mod? I got problems downloading at Rapidshare.
No, any suggestion?
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:20 pm
by Seeadler
ORIGINAL: JMass
ORIGINAL: Seeadler
Is there any mirror for your mod? I got problems downloading at Rapidshare.
No, any suggestion?
I could send you a PM with my e-mail address but you'd have to change your preferences.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:13 pm
by JMass
ORIGINAL: Seeadler
I could send you a PM with my e-mail address but you'd have to change your preferences.
I can receive normally PM.
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:37 pm
by vaalen
Arsan,
Thanks for letting me know the difference. I will contact The Ageod guys when they get back
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:28 am
by robbersonr
ORIGINAL: Son_of_Montfort
And yes, the game is pausable real time, like the EU series (at least as far as I know).
SoM
Well, now I am confused. Matrix's page states that this game is IGOUGO.
You are saying that it is RTS that can be paused.
Which is it?
RE: Great Invasions
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:07 am
by JMass
ORIGINAL: robbersonr
Well, now I am confused. Matrix's page states that this game is IGOUGO.
You are saying that it is RTS that can be paused.
Which is it?
GI is pausable real time.