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ORIGINAL: Gem35

Vista has been out long enough now to have most if not all the bugs ironed out.

Disagree - Vista still throws sound problems with audio hardware.

My Biggest issues with Vista besides sound:

1. Requires Nero 8 which is bugged compared to Xp's Nero 7.
2. Requires Paintshop Pro X2 which is bugged compared to XP's Paintshop Pro 8.
3. Requires Adobe CS 3 costing thousands - why buy when CS 1 still works fine?

That said and it's well documented here how I finally had Vista replaced with XP Pro on my then brand new Desktop, well, I've been left with an unused copy of Vista Ultimate.

So my wife's 2 y/o laptop was due for a RAM upgrade from 1 Gb to 2 Gb. I had my vendor install my Vista disc (and sound problems again - resolved) it works a treat.

2Gb RAM and integrated graphics runs Vista fine - no see-through Windows etc.

Which allows access to the only things Vista was good for IMO:

1. Mahjong Titans.
2. Hold 'em Poker.
3. Sidebar Gadgets.

I was dreading having Vista after all the bad things I'd heard about it but, to be honest, it's been fine. I did have to turn UAC and some other stuff off, but after that I've had no probs.

I keep meaning to upgrade to 4 gig RAM but currently only have 2 gig.. and with that I can run Flight Sim X, Silent Hunter 4, Fallout 3, etc etc without any problems at all.

I imagine the same system with XP on would probably run stuff marginally faster but on the other hand I find Vista boots quicker and has less errors and freezes than XP and, for what it's worth, looks nicer, so overall I have no complaints

There was no need for Vista.

Microsoft were abusing the monopolistic position to gouge cash out of us all.

It is outrageous that they force their new OS on to all new computers.

Upgrading an OS doesn't bother me as much as all the games that will no longer work on the new OS. Even dosbox can't salvage everything like Industry Giant II and High Heat Baseball 2000. Then as some have said there are sound issues if you use onboard sound or older sound cards like Soundblaster 5.1 Live or even an Audigy 24 card. Now some games I can give up, but, not my Combat mission series nor Steel Panthers and I've read that Vista plays hell with one if not all of the Combat Mission series. All I see the new OS doing is making it so more graphics power can be put into games so they can go beyond remakes of the games like Call of Duty and Half Life and Doom and the rest of those that have been made over to death for years already. So, we'll begin to see Doom VI & VII and Halflife 45 and Call of Duty infinity etc. It was years before I finally moved from Win98 because there were just so many dos games that wouldn't work on XP and when dosbox finally appeared then I didn't have a problem moving to XP. But, now with Vista we are going to have Win95 and Win98 and even XP games that just aren't going to work with it and who knows what Windows 7 is going to do to past games working. To me a new OS so soon after XP is like a 25" tv coming out after 24" ones have been distributed all over the world. It's just rediculous to really buy the 25" when 24" works just fine and 25" isn't that much of an improvement to warrant spending so much money on it.

I wish Vista was dead, I really dislike it.

Regards,

Grell

ORIGINAL: uncc

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Vista is a piece of crap. Without actually doing anything on my system, it grabs no less than 900MB (or there abouts) of my 2GB.

Unfortunately some people (myself included) had no option when I bought my laptop and it's infected with it. Thx Microsoft for making my laptop as useful as a Betamax video player!

Once bitten....

what makes you think "Windows 7" will grab less memory? [:)] Seems each new OS from MS requires even more memory than its predecessor to function. Better go buy some more memory!

That's right...that's what I said [8|]

Read my post. I said nothing about Windows 7. I was talking about Vista as well you know.

ORIGINAL: Gem35

Vista has been out long enough now to have most if not all the bugs ironed out.
If you can't get it working properly either your PC is not stable or you are doing something wrong.
You also should not run it without at least 4 GB of RAM unless you are using basic or something.
Stop with the "it sux" and "it's crap" already.[:-]

An OS that requires 4GB of memory to run effectively is ridiculous coding. They can optimise it, they just don't want to. Too busy on their next latest and greatest.

It's about time Microsoft started to optimise their systems rather than just churning out massively overweight software.

If I was to create a program that ate 4GB of memory, I'd be shot...and out of a job.

I happen to actually like it's look and feel. Unfortunately, it runs like Apollo 13 with a mini-metro engine stuck in the back of it!

ORIGINAL: Grell

I wish Vista was dead, I really dislike it.

Regards,

Grell

Vista is dead...and praise be the lord.

Many of my friends are going over to Linux, as well as downloading the free (yes free) office suite from OpenOffice.org (from Open Source which, I believe, was started by Steve Jobs). These are guys who have a serious dislike for MS anything. I use openoffice and its much more stable than MS Word. Also, the data is transferable.

Anyway, I also have Vista because I didn't have a choice when purchasing a new computer. It's graphics absolutely sucked, I had to purchase a a separate video graphics card to run my games.

Windows 7? That's laughable. It will be the same screwed up mess that Vista is. MS is so incompetant. They won't let their programers do their job, they keep saddling them with crap they insist needs to go into the OS.

I have a MS system only because that's they system most wargames are designed for. If had my d'others I'd buy a Mac.

Rick

We could debate the relative merits or demerits of each Microsoft OS until the cows come home. But until another OS supports gaming(software AND hardware) as well as Windows does(or does not, as the case may be), then we're going to be using Microsoft OS's for some time.

You can like any particular Microsoft OS, or not. That's up to you. But it's a fact that software developers(and hardware engineers)are going to keep producing operating systems and hardware that continues to up the ante on requirements and performance. It's what they do.

Complaining about the relentless advance of software and hardware is like complaining that the auto industry keeps making new and improved(and costlier!) vehicles every year. If you want to keep driving your beloved 1995 Saturn SL2, you may do so....but good luck finding parts for it as it gets older. The same thing goes for computers.

You wouldn't expect to go into a car dealership and ask for the "8-track player" package in your new 2009 Toyota, right(well, maybe apathetic lurker would, lol)?

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy. In fact, I work for for their big blue competitor. But I understand why they don't support an old operating system for more than a few years. They, like my company, is always marching ahead trying to push the limits and raise the bar.

Personally, I would love to see Linux become as good a gaming platform as Windows. If that day ever comes, I will drop Windows like a hot potato.

I ran Vista without any issues for over a year on 2GB. 
 
And just to clarify a post from earlier in the thread, Combat Mission will work with Vista as long as you have a DX9 card.

I would say that is one of the problems. Vista isn't generally viewed as a system that either pushed the limits (unless in reference to memory requirements) or raising the bar. From most comments it seems a necessary evil or adequate at best to end of the world/cats and dogs living together at worst. Necessary evil and adequate probably weren't the comments MS was shooting for.

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

I would say that is one of the problems. Vista isn't generally viewed as a system that either pushed the limits (unless in reference to memory requirements) or raising the bar. From most comments it seems a necessary evil or adequate at best to end of the world/cats and dogs living together at worst. Necessary evil and adequate probably weren't the comments MS was shooting for.

I agree. And how about all those "helpful" protection apps that are currently preventing people from executing their applications until they "run as administrator"? What were they thinking? Honestly, someone needs a dope-slap for thinking up some of these "Windows Defender" type apps that are a part of Vista. The first thing I did when I got my laptop with Vista is go through and shut down those apps.

From a technical standpoint (as if anything else really matters), you got this when you moved from Win98/98SE/ME to WindowsXP:

NT Kernel
NTFS File System
Approximately 8X increase in cacheable memory

There's other stuff, like a reliable system restoration utility, but the items above are what really made XP hum.

From that same technical standpoint, with Vista you get an animated GUI that really requires the following:

1GB RAM
Graphics adapter with 128mb of dedicated memory
Dual-core processor

As in the case of XP, there's other stuff, this utility and that, but the main selling point of Vista is the GUI.

Now, if you play games, a reasonable person could ask, "who gives a flip about the GUI?" The same voice could state without trepidation, "I don't want valuable system resources devoted to the GUI. I want the G-D stuff running my games!" Finally, the same wise-guy would question his electric bill, "WTF, why am I running up my electric bill like this when I'm working in MS Word or websurfing?

At the risk of repeating myself, phooey!

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm



You wouldn't expect to go into a car dealership and ask for the "8-track player" package in your new 2009 Toyota, right(well, maybe apathetic lurker would, lol)?

Heh heh, well, you wouldnt catch me in a 2009.Nope, nosiree, not me! But how the H... did you know about the Toyota? 1992 Sera ......Hopefully mine soon

Still trying to figure out if my gramaphone will fit or if I need to take out the passenger seat!

ORIGINAL: Gem35

Vista has been out long enough now to have most if not all the bugs ironed out.
If you can't get it working properly either your PC is not stable or you are doing something wrong.
You also should not run it without at least 4 GB of RAM unless you are using basic or something.
Stop with the "it sux" and "it's crap" already.[:-]

He said it all.

I agree that Vista is crap on old computers, but it works great on new computers. IMO it was/is priced way to high. 

I have not had a single issue running Vista Premier 64bit. I worried about it, but not one single issue has come up.
 
Of course I am running 6 gigs of RAM too.

ORIGINAL: hadberz

I agree that Vista is crap on old computers, but it works great on new computers. IMO it was/is priced way to high. 

I still remember the same threads when XP came out. People tend to glorify the XP they have been using since years. With three SPs and a gazillion of hotfixes [;)]

Oh, and I also remember the riots when it was clear that you must have at least 512mb of RAM in your XP machine in order to have it run smootly.