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Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:30 am**

ORIGINAL: Pzt_Serk

Moss,

what does your database says about the Führer Begleit Brigade durin Watch am Rhein?? Most information I have say it did not have any Panthers (as in War) but a mix of Mark IV/Stugs IIIG/jagdpanzer IV/L70.

Cheers,

I guess you must have sensed it [:)]: yesterday, I just finished a couple of additional queries to generate complete OOBs per unit (no, that kind of info doesn't just roll out of the DB). I'm still doing some sanity checks, but the results should be pretty accurate.
And it seems your information is correct; this is what comes out for the FBB: (see attachment)

Most of the abbreviations should be self-explanatory (if not, just ask). What you see are the totals of initial item strenght (at the day of first appearance in the campaign) + reinforcement strenght (replacements arriving at a later date). For modding purposes - there is no reinforcement button, everything is already calculated into the initial forcepool - replacements are weighted according to their day of appearance. So fi 25 Jagdpanthers arriving at the last day of the campaign only count for 1/25th of that total, ie 1. Generally however, German units have very little replacements, so the reinforcement strenght is negligible.

Cheers,
Moss

Posted: **Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:41 pm**

Great info Moss Orlen!

Any chance you could post other BG comparisons? The developers might use the information to make the game more historical....

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:44 pm**

Hi Tejszd,

Check your PM on this.

Cheers,
Moss

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:39 pm**

Indeed, some kind of historical realism mod reviewing the forcepools woud be great but unfortunatly I don't know how to mod.

Posted: **Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:36 am**

Why doesnt the American BG at Trois Ponts have any ATGuns?
I know there was atleast one if not two that stopped Peiper.

Posted: **Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:13 am**

ORIGINAL: Platoon_Michael

Why doesnt the American BG at Trois Ponts have any ATGuns?
I know there was atleast one if not two that stopped Peiper.

IIRC, the 51st Engineer Btn (the one guarding the Trois-Ponts bridges when Peiper arrived) is not portrayed as an individual unit in the game (even with regimental BGs, you can't include everything).
The 57mm AT you're referring to was not organically part of the Btn, but it had been commandeered from the 526th AIB defending Malmedy and Stavelot at that time. As it was only part of the 51st Eng for half a day (arrived on the morning of the 18th, destroyed before noon), it's debatable whether it should be included (if you would decide to create a 51st Eng Btn BG).

Cheers,
Moss

Posted: **Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:42 pm**

Yea well from a players perspective,against the German team that occupies that Battle which includes 4 tanks and 2 HT's they could have thrown us a bone.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:33 am**

How's this FBB proposal

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:58 am**

Getting better,

According to Moss's database, FBB had almost as many Jagdpanzers IV (25) as panzer Mark IV (28).

Cheers,

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:02 am**

I can't find any references to the PzjIV's any where else

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=6141

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:35 am**

Here I have a link with the equipment at december 16th 1944, also from axis history.

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4889

Looks like they actually had mostly jagdpanzers instead of mark IV. Maybe due to the habit of using assault gun and tank destroyer to refit normal panzer units?

Equipment (16 Dec 1944)

Vehicles
Panzer IV authorized 62 and had 51 operational and 4 in short term repair. They were the following types:
PzKpw. IV with L48 gun = 17
Panzer IV/70(A) with the L70 gun = 38
StuG III and StuH 42 authorized 41 and had 34 operational and 6 in short term repair and 1 in long term repair. They were the following Types:
StuG III = 27
StuH 42 = 14

Cheers,

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:44 am**

Nice

How to fit them in though...

might drop the 7.5cm IG

thanks

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:31 am**

How's this

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:16 am**

ORIGINAL: Maxy

Hi,

I'm playing the Grand Campaign as Allies. We're on the 7th day so far with my H2H - mate.

I'm wondering how is the forcepool balanced and is there a place where one could see how many tanks are allocated for Allies and for Axis?

The question has arised from seeing Panther BG:s coming all over against my BG:s with only bazookas and 57mm guns. As many of you may have noticed - in skillful hands of a human opponent, BG:s with Panthers and Jagdpanthers are almost impossible to stop without a horde of TD:s or 76mm Shermans.

I'm using the picture that Nomada Firefox showed in the tracking thread:

This picture shows that there are 17 mechanized BG:s on Axis side and only 7 on Allied side. How many of those 17 BG:s have the option of having Panthers and Tigers?

I'm asking this, because of the demoralising effect that his hordes of Panthers have had on my strategies so far. Still I'm not willing to look at the saved game and check how many Panthers he has as this would ruin the game and surprises he has still for me.

I'm just curious on what is the ratio between Shermans vs. Panthers in numbers through the whole campaign. Should I just be patient and wait until the whole campaign is over. So far it's not looking that good

I'm sorry to interrupt this thread, but I am having a problem when I look at the scenario editor map. I had a similar problem with Ageods WWI map.

When I look at the little yellow hexagons? If I stare at them too long they take a 3 dimensional shape kinda like a starburst candy in its wrapper. Or maybe like a base on a baseball diamond. Is any one else seeing this. Its driving me crazy.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:22 am**

When I stare at it, with my eyes sqinting,  I see Condalisa Rice.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:48 am**

ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

When I stare at it, with my eyes sqinting, I see Condalisa Rice.

I see Jim Morrison, Elvis and Jimi Hendrix playing Texas Hold'em. Hoffa's body is lying next to the poker table...

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:16 pm**

ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

How's this

[:)]

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:22 am**

Schreck, I believe part of the confusion in the numbers for the OOBs comes from the official designation of Panzer IV/70(A) which is not understood/recognised by many western historians as what we refer to incorrectly as a Jagdpanzer IV. The Panzer IV/70(A) refers specifically to the Jagdpanzer variant with the L/70 cannon. There are some loose references to the numbers in several other credible forums/threads, but unfortunately not cited as to their sources.
 
http://www.forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?start=240&t=1210
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=79424
 
IIRC, remnants of the FBB were sent to the east after the Ardennes offensive and wound up in the fighting for the Moravian Gate.
 
cheers
 
 
 

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:45 am**

When I look at the little yellow hexagons? If I stare at them too long they take a 3 dimensional shape kinda like a starburst candy in its wrapper. Or maybe like a base on a baseball diamond. Is any one else seeing this. Its driving me crazy.

I don't know about any of that,but when I look at the WAR dektop Icon it looks more like some kids game animated snake head icon.With the CC being his eyes and the WAR being the mouth.

Posted: **Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:22 pm**

Never noticed but now that you mention it you are right Platoon_Michael about the icon....

Must be just us guys with kids....

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