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RE: PP's
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:06 pm
by Chad Harrison
ORIGINAL: wdolson
A couple of points...
There are more HQs in AE though I haven't paid close attention to the naval HQ situation, so I can't tell anyone specifics.
Many units locked down on the West Coast were training units, or were units preparing to go to Europe or the Med and just happened to be working up on the West Coast. These units would never have been sent into the Pacific because of the Germany First decision. If the Japanese had been crazy enough to invade the mainland US or Canada, these units would have been thrown into the fray since that would constitute a dire emergency, but barring that, they did their task at home.
Japan, on the other hand, has no off map theaters to contend with. They also had less ability to maintain a deep training pool and threw many unprepared units into harms way in a desperate attempt to stop the errosion of their empire. So it's realistic that they have the ability to buy out HI units. It will cost you, just as it did in real life to make these decisions.
The US does have units assigned to West Coast that can be bought out. Just a rough estimate, I would say maybe 1/2 the ground units assigned to West Coast are locked down and 1/2 can be bought out. I haven't counted or anything, that's just my impression.
Bill
Thanks for the explanation Bill. So the Allied player will have atleast some flexibility in moving those West Coast troops elsewhere.
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Can't answer the OOB question. Tain't my area. Ships can be attached to Command HQs (such as South Pacific, etc) and to any Naval HQ.
Thats all I wanted to know really. My thought is that it will be nice to assign to the Command HQ's their own arsenal of ships for small transporting of troops, goods, minesweeping, patrol duties and so on. Then have major fleets (such as the American 3rd, 5th and 7th) house the capital ships and major amphibious formations. As far as I know, this is pretty much how it was done IRL, so it will be nice to be able to keep things organized that way in the game.
I know many others have made this comment, but I will again: the more I learn about this game the greater it is becoming.
Thanks again
Chad
RE: PP's
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:20 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
ORIGINAL: witpqs
What happens in AE when these locked up units are destroyed? Do they come back months later (ala WITP) in another base under another command? Do they go away forever? Etc.?
Andy,
What about this question? Thanks.
They are destroyed of course. Would you really think anything else would happen to them?
RE: PP's
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:06 pm
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: Splinterhead
ORIGINAL: m10bob
IMHO another wonderful improvement. I have cheated many times by moving those fighters to OZ and then the Japanese did not have the advantage they enjoyed IRL.......
I wouldn't call it cheating. IRL orders were issued for some of the fighters to be evacuated only to be almost immediately countermanded. 49 out of 165 fighter pilots were evacuated. Moot point in AE with the provisional squadrons, though.
Not just talking about the pilots. I was cheating(IMHO) by tranferring the entire unit. Ground crew, planes, admin, all of it..
RE: PP's
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:09 pm
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
ORIGINAL: witpqs
What happens in AE when these locked up units are destroyed? Do they come back months later (ala WITP) in another base under another command? Do they go away forever? Etc.?
Andy,
What about this question? Thanks.
They are destroyed of course. Would you really think anything else would happen to them?
Yam...once again you open yourself for criticism of knee-jerk responses. In this case, you completely fail to take the "transporter beam bonus" into account, which the allies were constantly using...[8|]
RE: PP's
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:50 pm
by spence
This is just me thinking out loud, but it seems odd that West Coast divisions would be locked down, but not Home Island divisions? By no means is this a complaint, it just seems odd.
Presumably AE is going to be more accurate than WitP and the Japanese problem will be finding enough shipping to move the HI divisions overseas AND provide them with stuff like bullets and rice AND move enough stuff back to the HI so that they can produce said bullets and rice in the first place.
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:57 am
by Menser
Kewl,
I never liked the idea of forcibly withdrawing ships to keep the PP's I needed. Or kicking myself for forgeting to withdraw them and suddenly starved of PP's that I had plans for.
Thanks Team
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:59 am
by wdolson
The intelligence screen also now has buttons listing all the withdrawals for land, sea and air so you can keep track of which units are going bye bye and when.
Bill
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:39 am
by bradfordkay
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
"Many USAAFE air units are locked down and can't leave the Philippines."
This is interesting because it it my impression that the USAFFE air units were among the first units to be removed from the Philippines. Can someone elaborate on this (units and reasoning)?
Historically, only the heavy bomber units in the Philippines were withdrawn. The fighter and light bomber units were worn to zero and then became infantry. No aircraft (except B-17) were able to withdraw. In fact, attempts were made to get additional ones in (three P-40 made it).
Air and some ground crews were evacuated to Australia where they were used in newly formed Provisional Squadrons (along with other personnel). These provisional squadrons are in the OOB (with withdraw dates).
Make sense??
Don, I knew that most of the fighter aircraft had not made it out of the PI, but I have read that a good many of the fighter pilots did make it out and were not used as infantry. Yes, they were used to create the provisional squadrons that you speak of.
So now the question is, how does AE handle this factor? The pilots that start in the PI are lost forever? Are they duplicated in the provisional squadrons (same as MacArthur was duplicated in stock WITP)? Are we able to withdraw individual pilots from depleted squadrons?
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:19 am
by goodwoodrw
talking about PP and unit transfers, can u transfer unit of the Australia Command between PNG and Oz i AE?
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:32 pm
by Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
Don, I knew that most of the fighter aircraft had not made it out of the PI, but I have read that a good many of the fighter pilots did make it out and were not used as infantry. Yes, they were used to create the provisional squadrons that you speak of.
So now the question is, how does AE handle this factor? The pilots that start in the PI are lost forever? Are they duplicated in the provisional squadrons (same as MacArthur was duplicated in stock WITP)? Are we able to withdraw individual pilots from depleted squadrons?
An air team issue, so I'm guessing. But I'd say no.
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:26 pm
by Speedysteve
ORIGINAL: Chad Harrison
the more I learn about this game the greater it is becoming.
And the more I look forward to wiping the floor with you[:'(]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:33 pm
by Terminus
Too bad Speedette's on The List...[:'(]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:53 pm
by Speedysteve
Which list Dumbass?[:'(]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:54 pm
by Terminus
The "Terminus Gets To Decide If You Are Allowed To Buy AE" list...[:'(]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:02 pm
by Speedysteve
[:D]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:03 pm
by Speedysteve
How long we been mates for T? Sheesh it's so long I can't remember[;)]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:05 pm
by Terminus
Let the sucking up begin...[:'(]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:11 pm
by Speedysteve
Let's the Dumbass contest begin....T's top of the List[;)]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:18 pm
by Terminus
The only floor-wiping you'll be doing is with a mop, whilst wearing your favourite pink tutu and singing "I Enjoy Being A Girl"...[:'(]
RE: PP's
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:30 pm
by Speedysteve
Translated = I'll be mopping the floor with T's head whilst wearing my best WiTP outfit kicking Chad's arse in the Aleutians scenario[:'(]