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ORIGINAL: Hertston

The last decent 'Total War' was the first 'Medieval'.

This.

ORIGINAL: Joram

As others have said I don't really think that the games are comparable.  You're comparing an arcade game to a simulation.  Not to say ETW won't be fun but it fills a different niche.  CoG:EE fills the simulation niche so if that's where your tastes lie, then you'll get it regardless of how ETW turns out. 

I think the only real concern is if the economy is going to allow people to buy any games at all!

COG a simulation? Empire edition must be a totally different game to the first then,because COG is not even close.

Constructive comments are welcome, just random sniping isn't helping anyone.
 
In the context that CoG:EE is a wargame, the word simulation is appropriate.  If you want to argue it doesn't simulate what you want it to, that is another matter entirely.

If ETW ends in 1799, and the Napoleonic Era runs from November 1799 to June 1815, then how can ETW possibly be an Napoleonic Era game?

Wouldn't Empire be more-lets say Ahistorical as compared to Cog:EE?   Rome totalwar was not very historical.  The only thing they have in common is the era.  Is that correct?

Prediction: ETW will be released with great fanfare and critical acclaim. It will sell well. Most folks will play it and accept what inevitably will be a weak campaign game.

But some folks will play ETW and think, "I know there must be a better game out there." COG:EE will scratch that itch.

I think the release of ETW may turn out to be the best thing that could have happened to COG:EE.

I'm looking for ETW and will buy it ... but CoG:EE is completely different. Everyone, who loves really strategy/tactics turn based game, everybody who loves really deep thinking about strategy, diplomacy ... and of course tactics ... will love CoG:EE and must have it ! And sure, CoG:EE is about Napoleonic wars [8D]
ETW will be great for more lazy players or for people looking for more action ...
I will play both, CoG:EE is good for my brain, ETW will be good for relax time with gunpowder ... enjoy both ! [:D]

ORIGINAL: Steely Glint

If ETW ends in 1799, and the Napoleonic Era runs from November 1799 to June 1815, then how can ETW possibly be an Napoleonic Era game?

It isn't. But maybe the inevitable expansion will take it there.

ORIGINAL: habakuk

ORIGINAL: Hertston

The last decent 'Total War' was the first 'Medieval'.

This.

Nope, it was Shogun [:)]! Since then it has been on the donwside, these games have 0 historicity, uninteresting campaigns, and sell for the spectacular battle graphicz - I'd rather see a movie ! Don't care for E:TW, nor any MTW3, RTW2, whatever.

Well, I'm buying CoG:EE right away (like right now) and I will wait for E:TW. The TW games are great, but the fun ends quickly. CoG:EE sounds awesome, and it will keep me occupied long enough for decent mods for TW to come out.

Can't believe peeps keep buying the newest mod of Shogun Total war every time CA releases it. [:)]

I'm still trying to figure out how possible when all the mods u find for M2TW give strong penalties to the player so crappy the AI is...ah, let's not forget there's no multiplayer campaign...and after 2 patches, off we go, to a new mod of the same old thing...
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Honestly and sadly, I'm buying ETW, with it just a few days away I'll spend my money there, that game will be a lot more "fun" though not as challenging and history focus (which I love). I thought Matrix would have released this game at least a few weeks b/f ETW not three days b/f. I may buy this game in a few months, when/if I get tried of ETW.

Well, I didn't play ETW demo as I won't let Steam on my rig. However, by watching footage on Youtube, first thing which came on my mind was, that precursor titles were impressive for their melee combat but TW with guns looks less exciting.

ORIGINAL: Wahoo

Honestly and sadly, I'm buying ETW, with it just a few days away I'll spend my money there, that game will be a lot more "fun" though not as challenging and history focus (which I love). I thought Matrix would have released this game at least a few weeks b/f ETW not three days b/f. I may buy this game in a few months, when/if I get tried of ETW.

We were certainly aware of ETW's release date, but a few weeks ago it would have been a very buggy release and one without a manual. Customers tend to frown on that sort of thing, so we released the game when it was ready.

ORIGINAL: Wahoo
Honestly and sadly, I'm buying ETW, with it just a few days away I'll spend my money there, that game will be a lot more "fun" though not as challenging and history focus (which I love). I thought Matrix would have released this game at least a few weeks b/f ETW not three days b/f. I may buy this game in a few months, when/if I get tried of ETW.

Well, fun is what you make of it. I definitely enjoy the Total War games, but they do not scratch the same "itch" as a wargame like COG:EE does. With that said, we recognized that some customers would be trying to make an either/or decision here which is why we did try to get out the door first with the online release. If you love more historical play and a challenging AI, then you'll be back in time. [8D]

I second that[:D]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: Wahoo
Honestly and sadly, I'm buying ETW, with it just a few days away I'll spend my money there, that game will be a lot more "fun" though not as challenging and history focus (which I love). I thought Matrix would have released this game at least a few weeks b/f ETW not three days b/f. I may buy this game in a few months, when/if I get tried of ETW.

Well, fun is what you make of it. I definitely enjoy the Total War games, but they do not scratch the same "itch" as a wargame like COG:EE does. With that said, we recognized that some customers would be trying to make an either/or decision here which is why we did try to get out the door first with the online release. If you love more historical play and a challenging AI, then you'll be back in time. [8D]

I have purchased EE, of course. And I will probably purchase ETW in due course. The games do not really compete with each other. EE is much more "grognardy" and attempts to recreate at least the illusion of history.

The TW games are fantasy games with historical costumes. This starts from the name on down. "Total War" is not something usually associated with either the middle ages or the 18th Century era of "limited warfare." I don't know enough about Japanese History to comment on Shogun TW. Nor are the world conquering campaigns typical of the eras. The battles are fun; and the campaign provide a "context" for the battles.

I usually play one long world conquering campaign with a TW game and then tire of it. That game usually lasts for weeks and justifies the purchase price.

I'm sure, however, that I'll go back to EE often. Whenever I read a book on the Napoleonic era, I get the fever again. I also love the way the game is structured. Like FOF, just when you get tired of the strategic game a detailed battle comes up and vice versa.

ORIGINAL: GShock

Can't believe peeps keep buying the newest mod of Shogun Total war every time CA releases it. [:)]

Do me a favor and dont compare any total war games frome Rome onwards to Shogun, which was an excellent and EXTREMELY well balanced game.

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I will certainly get both. ETW for some light fun and GOG:EE for some serious grognard fun.

The Totalwar series are actually fun to play but their not for serious wargaming.&nbsp; Ive bought and played all but I will not buy Empire totalwar.&nbsp; Mainly due to Steam.&nbsp; If all games-wargames included are coming to that(DRM's)then I'll go back to boardgaming.&nbsp; Which I still do anyway.[;)]