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I believe I have more planes and pilots at the beginning of the game, not after 5 days all of a sudden. This is typically what I see on day 1, 8200 vs 3900 give or take. Obviously, your version must be more official and authentic. However, since the old Talonsoft version and JC's patch have been there for so long, I really have no idea whether any private patch has been added on ezboard. I'd like to see how other people have their OOB look like.

Nonetheless, so be it my version has more planes and pilots. As a matter of fact I de-commissioned 1600 Allied pilots in 5 days. Allies should by all means have dropped 1000+ ready aircrafts no matter they started with 6000 or 8000. Would anybody please have a closer look at this issue? Maybe by testing as the Allied and sending your boys to suicidal missions?

looking at a clean build (I got dozens of builds on my HD, been a beta tester for this for ages)

I am getting 7200, and 2900 for the two sides, and most units are short of pilots

(stock had a number of units in at the start, that should of been seen as reinforcements, which one of the reasons for the OOBs to start with)

(I am wondering if your OOB may have all of the "deleted" Units added into the at start setup (the U.S. Fighter Squadrons also have there "parent" FGs, but those do not show up, the LW had units that come in later, with a newer name, and then these were "blocked")

other then that, I am not sure

here is as it looks to me (not a stock OB/OA)

The Allies seem to have significant terror points, like what I had on 1.03. Your Hamburg vicinity must be in orange, if not in red colour. Do you still have things like Me109-5 or MC202 in your composition?

ORIGINAL: wargames

The Allies seem to have significant terror points, like what I had on 1.03. Your Hamburg vicinity must be in orange, if not in red colour. Do you still have things like Me109-5 or MC202 in your composition?

here is a picture of Hamburg

and here the A/Cs:

and now the Axis A/Cs

if you compare this to the hopefully soon coming Matrix Edition, you will see that there are nearly no A/C models in the Talonsoft version [:D]
But with more A/C marks, there are also some changes to the industry.........

ORIGINAL: KNJ

As you can see the supply line is fine, unit next to the one out of supply has cost of 35.

you cannot see the full supply line, you "only" see the cities....but there are also crossroads (infamous in the early versions because the AI was able to but AA there in huge amounts!!)

ORIGINAL: KNJ

I am playing as Axis in old BTR. there are several things that is not written in the manual.

1. How exactly does research system working? I already converted 12 plants to Ta152, how much will it speed uo the research?

2. will the assambly lines upgrade automaticly as they do in witp, say from G6 to G14.

3. what is the pilot replacemt rate for both sides?

These are all I can come up with for the time being.[&o][&o]

Re Ta152 research - bad news is there was a bug where if you converted too many factories to the Ta152 then all research would stop. This kicked in at around 12 if I remember. To check, you need to use the editor and see if the production date is moving...

ORIGINAL: swift

I noticed that JC's 1.03 final released at the end of 2001 is in fact later than 1.06x5. Your A/C types look very similar to that version, such as 109G-5/-10, Ju388 and Re2005. Still, you have something different such as G56, IAR 81M etc. One thing I don't get in that version is that you have more AFAC than EFAC, basically telling you not to produce multi-engine types[:-]

ORIGINAL: wargames

I noticed that JC's 1.03 final released at the end of 2001 is in fact later than 1.06x5. Your A/C types look very similar to that version, such as 109G-5/-10, Ju388 and Re2005. Still, you have something different such as G56, IAR 81M etc. One thing I don't get in that version is that you have more AFAC than EFAC, basically telling you not to produce multi-engine types[:-]

This is not JC´s 1.03......this version is a few years younger

The industry tries to reflect the RL situation......I had no problem in the 1.03final or in one of the newer versions to produce many TF fighters.

About this supply question?

Might there be a "bug"?

I'm an Allied player, sometime in Aug '43 I night bombed a Para unit -- the 5th -- in Normandy. After the follow up recon, it is at 95 disruption. It is now May 30, '44, it has been and is still being recon'ed with a 95 disruption. I have not plotted to bomb that unit again -- as I recall -- during the whole campaign. This is the only "target", in my game, that I can think of which is not "repairing".

Peeking at KNJ's "axis" map, his city/rail system and supply line seems to be good.

Is it possible that a ground unit could get "locked" into an "out of supply" situation?


Bonus question: Swift: Concerning your Allied Replacement display... What happened to the P-38G's? [;)]

TS

Latest info...

1795 5th Parachute Troop
140,480
Combat Value 181
Disruption 95
12x AFV
79x Artillery
252x Infantry
13x HAA
37x LAA

AFV, Artillery, & Infantry vary slightly with each recon. The other info has not.

 
All recce older than 2 days is no longer considered up to date. So, of you fly no recce missions to a target, its status may not change.
Allied recce is not always right....some target types need a closer look at low altitude.
Low level recce helps to identify light/medium AA and maybe some other things
 
In that OB/OA JC made some (many) changes....one oft them was to use the H instead of the G variant of the Lightning.

ORIGINAL: swift

 All recce older than 2 days is no longer considered up to date. So, of you fly no recce missions to a target, its status may not change.
Allied recce is not always right....some target types need a closer look at low altitude.
Low level recce helps to identify light/medium AA and maybe some other things

...

Swift;

I have been reconning this unit, probably about once a month, but probably at high altitude. During the month of May '44 it doesn't get past 3 days without a recon -- high and/or low -- depending on the weather's level. I keep a close watch on all Overlord mobile units during this month. By "averaging" the recons I get a fair idea of a unit's recovery rate -- supply.

Obviously, this particular instance is a very minor glitch. I'm just waiting to see if it moves and then begins to recover.
... I guess I could bomb it again, and see if that has any effect? Why mess up a perfectly disrupted unit! [:D]

TS

ORIGINAL: KNJ

the odd thing is all my units are little bit south of Gustav line

It seems that you are not the only one. Most of my garrisons are slightly beyond the line as well. What surprised me is that 26th Panzer and 1st Para are even stationed in the towns of Vasto and Termoli, which are way beyond the Gustav Line. All the boys are in good condition however 2nd Para is out of supply for no apparent reason! I must find the logistic officer and shoot him![:@]

Wargames & KNJ;

In every "land" campaign I've played, the Axis units have always "dug-in" just outside of the fortified area. In Italy, it is to the south, in Normandy it is north, in Germany it is just west.

I found that by using the Bomber Command's creep back and approaching from the "rear" I can occationally get flak gun astericks.

I've always thought of this as the units being on the FEBA, and the fortified area's circle is the reserve AO.

TS

Are the Axis suppose to be inside the fortified areas? Harley? HS? Swift?

ORIGINAL: TechSgt

Wargames & KNJ;

In every "land" campaign I've played, the Axis units have always "dug-in" just outside of the fortified area. In Italy, it is to the south, in Normandy it is north, in Germany it is just west.

I found that by using the Bomber Command's creep back and approaching from the "rear" I can occationally get flak gun astericks.

I've always thought of this as the units being on the FEBA, and the fortified area's circle is the reserve AO.

TS

Are the Axis suppose to be inside the fortified areas? Harley? HS? Swift?

Interesting thought. To be honest, I wouldn't bet my money on that as an air-focused game, BTR would have simulated land battle in such detail. Such things like FEBA or AO are alien to more all-round simulators, such as Paradox's Hearts of Iron, or even land-focused ones like Matrix's many titles. What's more, when we start a '44 game, land divisions do start exactly at Gustav line.

Anyway, I am more interested in finding out why 2nd Para is out of supply. And why 26th Panzer and 1st Para are so forward. Are they going to retreat? If so, when? By the time of Anzio, maybe?

ORIGINAL: wargames
It seems that you are not the only one. Most of my garrisons are slightly beyond the line as well. What surprised me is that 26th Panzer and 1st Para are even stationed in the towns of Vasto and Termoli, which are way beyond the Gustav Line. All the boys are in good condition however 2nd Para is out of supply for no apparent reason! I must find the logistic officer and shoot him![:@]

I reloaded. Out of supply problem dissapeared. Then a new problem happened: I pulled my rail flaks back north to Ancorna/Pescara etc to defend supply line. They dissapeared a few days later!!![:@]

supply, I got no idea (I have never seen that message, but I am a much more exp Allied player then Axis)

for the forts/defence line, would say, those are just art work, and the placement of Troops and the Art don't match up all the way (Troops are Code, not Data, so I can't do anything about them)

RR Flak, do you know if they showed up ? when you tell them to move, it can take a few days for them to show up, once moving there are not on the map anymore ?

if they had showed up, and then went missing, I am not sure what happened