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RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:28 pm
by Durbik
I'm a lawyer from Poland also. About this sueing thing: if your contract expired already, or there was a fixed number of copies to be sold, Nicholas Games can be sued and defeated easily.

In this case however, guy is selling HIS OWN copy of WitP that he (as a customer - "consument") bought from the source he believed is legitimate. Polish civil code protects the consumer in that kind of case. So before court you can demand nothing from the seller, but from the Nicholas Games: 1). You can demand them to stop braking your law to intellectual property; 2). You can demand an amount of money exact to the amount of pecuniary damage that Matrix Games suffered from infringement upon it's rights.

I think it's not worth it, really. Of course if you want a plenipotent, that will work for a free copy of AE... (haw haw!)

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:12 am
by JeffroK
Eric,

As there seems to be a strong market in Poland has anything been done to support it legitimately??

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:27 am
by FeurerKrieg
ORIGINAL: Feinder

I don't think they every sold WitP in box via retail did they?

-F-

I saw a boxed copy at Fry's in San Jose back in 2004(?) , priced at 79.99 so, yes I think there is some retail activity out there.

I bought two copies of WITP from an online retailer (strategy something or other) for a 'sale' price of 69.99. I'm sure it was legit because I've seen them mentioned on this site before.

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:56 am
by Misconduct
I could use a spare manual, sucks I bought the game via digital download, at least with a Manual every time the gf wants to go somewhere I got an excuse to bring my book.. I tried the print edition, with all the colors I'd burn up $200 in ink.

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:04 am
by Przemcio231
Erik mail send...

Durbik is right about the consumer stuff you can't do nothing to the men unless you can prove he is making a living out of it. Currently you can buy WPO and WITP at NG store for like 3$ he is selling them on e-bay for 36$ i say thats a decent profit exactly 1200%. Those folks selling stuff through the internet seldom pay their taxes from that so when you can prove that they are selling it just for the profit to make a living you can send a freindly annonymous message to the Ravenue Office and those people will ruin his day[:D][:D][:D]


RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:04 am
by JeffroK
Might be Urban myth Lawyering but;

If you appoint a distributor can they then sue to protect their product?

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:05 am
by Durbik
If they are a real distributor (introducing the product to the market) - the answer is yes, they can sue. But they are not obliged to do so of course

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:25 pm
by demonterico
I like Przemcio"s suggestion. Report them to the Polish IRS. I have a feeling that tax collecters everywhere have the same MO.

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:11 am
by Przemcio231
Well in Poland they can ruin even a legal buissnesmen running perfectly legal buissnes. Some people were running a bussines of selling cell phones to the Ukraine... suddenly Ravenue Office decided that they are not exporting any cell phones there and the whole thing is a scam made up to avoid paying taxes[:D][:D] Those poor people got their money and assets taken away left with nothing. The IRS people demanded that they need to present to them some proof's that they were really exporting those cell phones.(well i always thought that now you have to have your guilty proofed and you don't not need to proof anything) So those people found their ukrainian contractors except for one who went out of buissnes but still IRS did not belive them... so they went to court and the court rouled out that they are not guilty of fraud or anything but still IRS thinked otherwise and was really reculant in giving their money back... after like 5 or so years those people got their money back but i would no like to experience something. There were some other cases that even with a not-Guilty sentence the IRS people didn't want to give their money back becouse they argued that the court gave a wrong verdict[:D][:D]

RE: Is this for real?

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:10 pm
by demonterico
Ah yes the dear sweet tax collectors. I'm willing to bet that their the same everywhere. My advice here in the USA is make sure everything is right and legal. Once you get your name on their list they can make you miserable for years. My exwife did tax work and brought plenty of horror stories home.