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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

War is never the answer.

It's almost always the answer in WiF!!

Good Hunting.

MR

@CrusssDaddy :
Maybe wait for an addon or MwiF product 2 if Polif or DoD are implented, maybe there will be no war ? Not very fun from a WiF average player point of view IMO...

...Let me go, I have a invasionplan to prepare... First : planning the production...

ORIGINAL: chacal83

@CrusssDaddy :
Maybe wait for an addon or MwiF product 2 if Polif or DoD are implented, maybe there will be no war ? Not very fun from a WiF average player point of view IMO...

...Let me go, I have a invasionplan to prepare... First : planning the production...

If you are planning production, you might want to read the section on that in the Players Manual thread (3.4.??).

As Germany Conquered these non-historical locations: Great Britain, USSR, Turkey, Spain, Bulgaria, Egypt, Iceland
As Japan Conquered these non-historical locations: Australia

I've played quite a few games but still:
1) Haven't invaded Pearl Harbor
2) Seriously invaded India
3) For now 20 years I have yet to be in a game where China was conquered before the Allies capitulated. Strange isn't it?

What will I try in my veryfirst game?

I will try not to get frustrated at the scope and size involved and press through the learning curve. After achieving that I will try to play a multi-player game. That's where it seems like WiF will shine. You guys are fortunate to have played so many great games over the years with various outcomes. I am enjoying reading these accounts.

You veterans probably already know about French World in Flames Page but, for those noobs like me, this site is very informative. Scroll down to GAME REPORTS. There you will find several short AAR's of sort that show the general flow of WiF games. Very cool indeed.

Hope it's o.k. to post the link here.

mo reb

In all the games we've played we never actually saw China defeated as a nation either. We did destroy the Chinese armed forces on several occasions and had the Chinese down to only holding Urumchi.

Good Hunting.

MR

I will launch a land war on the Asian continent between Russia and Japan, just to see what happens.

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

In all the games we've played we never actually saw China defeated as a nation either. We did destroy the Chinese armed forces on several occasions and had the Chinese down to only holding Urumchi.

Good Hunting.

MR

They'd be defeated then. Urumchi has no factory.

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

In all the games we've played we never actually saw China defeated as a nation either. We did destroy the Chinese armed forces on several occasions and had the Chinese down to only holding Urumchi.

Good Hunting.

MR

They'd be defeated then. Urumchi has no factory.

In one (or more) of the older WIF versions you needed to capture Urumchi to knock out China.

My first game of MWIF will be my first game of WIF all together...

I'll probably print the manual, grab myself some Duvels (mmmm) and have a good read for several nights.

Then i'll have a go at the tutorials

My first real game will probably the Barbarossa scenario (russian perspective).

I really look forward to the complete war scenario...
This game is going to absorb me big time. I hope I'll have some social life left.
My better half doesn't know what's coming the end of July [:D]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

In all the games we've played we never actually saw China defeated as a nation either. We did destroy the Chinese armed forces on several occasions and had the Chinese down to only holding Urumchi.

Good Hunting.

MR

They'd be defeated then. Urumchi has no factory.

No, they were not defeated. It has a factory on my maps.

Good Hunting.

MR

You can also check out the web site set up by the Ottawa (Ontario) World in Flames group: http://capitalwif.wikidot.com/start.

Although I'm pretty sure China was defeated a couple times in our games, it was very very rare. Plus when introducing new players it was usually with the China/USA combo, could have been in one of those games...it was a while ago.

Anyway, when I said "knocked out" refering to the Chinese, I meant eliminating them as a serious threat.

Gridley.

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

In all the games we've played we never actually saw China defeated as a nation either. We did destroy the Chinese armed forces on several occasions and had the Chinese down to only holding Urumchi.

Good Hunting.

MR

They'd be defeated then. Urumchi has no factory.

No, they were not defeated. It has a factory on my maps.

Good Hunting.

MR

The factory is gone, and one irritating thing about Urumchi is that the Chinese can stockpile an oil point there to start the game, even though there is no rail that could have transported the oil to Urumchi. It's nearly impossible to strat bomb Urumchi, so the chinese will always be able to reorganize 0.4 worth the oil dependant units.

Bleh.

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: paulderynck



They'd be defeated then. Urumchi has no factory.

No, they were not defeated. It has a factory on my maps.

Good Hunting.

MR

The factory is gone, and one irritating thing about Urumchi is that the Chinese can stockpile an oil point there to start the game, even though there is no rail that could have transported the oil to Urumchi. It's nearly impossible to strat bomb Urumchi, so the chinese will always be able to reorganize 0.4 worth the oil dependant units.

Bleh.

You can always try to send an outflanking fast moving (cheap) unit to outflank the Chinese and capture a line of hexes between Urumchi and the Chinese troops so he cant trace the oil to the units. Even if it fails it is annoying to the Chinese and may draw some units to stop it.

It is interesting to note that for all of us - grognards and noobs alike, the war in China will be a new experience because it uses the European map scale. If there's one place where the unlimited breakdown option will come into vogue, I predict China will be it. Same goes for any Russo-Japanese wars. And you thought it was hard to protect the trans-siberian RR in the boardgame! [X(]

In quite a few CWiF games, with the same scale as MWiF, I have seen China get conquered or thoroughly lamed several times. I have also seen a very strong China that the Japanese did not push very hard against.
 
With the optional extra cities in China this is likely to be a new experience though.
 
In a game presently ijn process in the spring of 43 my China has 3 SUB's harassing the Japanese as well as several lendleased Ftrs. Here Japan completely ignored China and DoW'd the CW in January of 40, then took Australia and NZ out and is holding Calcutta where they are stalemated by the CW indian units.
 
The Germans and Italians built massive SUB fleets and caused the CW heavy production losses that are now about back to normal production levels again and with US and CW troops almost through Spain and landed in France. The Germans are sitzing against Russia and that requires most of their units.
 
Russia is working on Japan and now have most of Manchuria under their control and will soon be pushing hard against the Germans.  The USA has sunk a couple of Jap Carriers and is slowly advancing in the Pacific.
 
Lars

Wow! I just checked out this thread after reading your post. What a huge difference. I can't help but think this will help Japan...they can now make this front more of a manouvering war in the Centre and North. It should also negate that tough line the communists used to be able to make now that they will have to spread out more. Even in the South...

This will be interesting.

ORIGINAL: gridley

Wow! I just checked out this thread after reading your post. What a huge difference. I can't help but think this will help Japan...they can now make this front more of a manouvering war in the Centre and North. It should also negate that tough line the communists used to be able to make now that they will have to spread out more. Even in the South...

This will be interesting.

So, did you read all 683 posts there?[;)] A lot of people contributed to the revisions of the China map and I believe the result benefits enormously from all the knowledgable advice the forum members provided.[&o]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

So, did you read all 683 posts there?[;)]

I started to but had too many questions. What is WiF FE and are the lines on the map rail lines?

I need to disappear for about a month while I go read the tutorials.

Good Hunting.

MR