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ORIGINAL: RD_Oddball

I never used the word feature in my reply. [;)][:D]  Also I didn't code/program the game but I can certainly bring it to the attention of the person that did.  It's duely noted and I hope I didn't come across as diminishing the importance of yours or anyones opinion.  It's certainly a valid point of view.  The "go to ground" action was worse in WaR and the reaction to it was one reason why we toned it down for CCTLD and added an alternate scenario to simply going to ground and getting shot up.  The alternate is that they stop their present course and immediately look for cover. 

Like I said we've made note and thank you for offering it.

ORIGINAL: xe5

ORIGINAL: Senior Drill
"...enable the "Units Always Obey Orders" option ..."

Thats the fix right there. No compromise needed.
Agree w/ sl_id ... it is more realistic.
Personally I love to watch my soldiers think and fend for themselves.
The way teams 'string out' during movement, I believe it keeps sprites alive.
TLD's infantry survivability is excellent. Seen lots of extended firefights at short range.

The only tweaks I'd suggest are:
1. if in cover when engaged, by all means stop and shoot back.
2. if sneaking and engaged in the open at close range, shoot back
3. units w/ 'aborted moves' should try to reverse course back thru their move path until in cover (then shoot back) or out of enemy LOS.

ORIGINAL: xe5

ORIGINAL: squadleader_id
Nah...enabling that option basically turns our beloved CC wargame into just another Command&Conquer clone [:-]

And CC's award winning psych model is a major reason its 'beloved'. Complaining that soldiers wont obey move orders when fired at is like complaining they wont shoot when suppressed.

• Use "Move Fast".  Short (~40m or less) move fast orders will generally be obeyed no matter how much incoming fire a team takes.
• If the destination for a movement order is in good cover, the team is more likely to continue moving if it takes incoming fire. This is adjusted for the amount of time the men would be exposed to get to the cover, so again "Move Fast" is more likely to keep them going then "Move" or "Sneak".

ORIGINAL: Steve McClaire

The symantics of the move orders in "The Longest Day" is a bit different than the original CC series:

"Move Fast" means get to the destination as quickly as possible, all other considerations are secondary.
"Move" means move cautiously and be ready to react to spotting new enemies or new incoming fire.
"Sneak" means to move very cautiously, use stealth as much as possible, and try to remain undetected.

For best results in getting troops to move under fire:

• Use "Move Fast".  Short (~40m or less) move fast orders will generally be obeyed no matter how much incoming fire a team takes.
• If the destination for a movement order is in good cover, the team is more likely to continue moving if it takes incoming fire. This is adjusted for the amount of time the men would be exposed to get to the cover, so again "Move Fast" is more likely to keep them going then "Move" or "Sneak".

There is one bug, which will be fixed an upcoming patch, which can result in a team ignoring all orders if it is within 30m or less of an enemy team.  This does not sound like what you're seeing, however.

All that said, we do want to hear feedback from our players and I appreciate your points.  We discuss this issue from time to time and will keep refining things as necessary.

ORIGINAL: RD_Oddball

It was a matter of getting the guy in the know to have a look.[;)] Even though the rest of us on the development team know quite a bit about the game you can't beat knowing what the programmer knows about it. [:D]

ORIGINAL: Steve McClaire

The symantics of the move orders in "The Longest Day" is a bit different than the original CC series:

"Move Fast" means get to the destination as quickly as possible, all other considerations are secondary.
"Move" means move cautiously and be ready to react to spotting new enemies or new incoming fire.
"Sneak" means to move very cautiously, use stealth as much as possible, and try to remain undetected.

For best results in getting troops to move under fire:

• Use "Move Fast".  Short (~40m or less) move fast orders will generally be obeyed no matter how much incoming fire a team takes.
• If the destination for a movement order is in good cover, the team is more likely to continue moving if it takes incoming fire. This is adjusted for the amount of time the men would be exposed to get to the cover, so again "Move Fast" is more likely to keep them going then "Move" or "Sneak".

There is one bug, which will be fixed an upcoming patch, which can result in a team ignoring all orders if it is within 30m or less of an enemy team.  This does not sound like what you're seeing, however.

All that said, we do want to hear feedback from our players and I appreciate your points.  We discuss this issue from time to time and will keep refining things as necessary.