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ORIGINAL: Flying Tiger

To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort.

I think you're on your own here Charles. For me, and i know for most others on this forum, WitP has been easily the BEST value for $$ of any game i have ever shelled out cash for. Curious to hear though, exactly what bugs were you struggling with?

Well some aren't technically bugs, like 4E's having the anti-shipping abilities of 2E's, but I don't want to re-hash all that disturbed me. In fact, I probably couldn't remember them all, I just know for my own case I had seen enough to make it not worth my time. And, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if I was the lone one expressing opinion similar to mine, though I have heard a great many complaints. Completely healthy air groups randomly splitting into different places, AI-led KB being a sitting duck; don't even get me started. Others play past the deficiencies, but the Pacific theatre and the very long nature of this game combined (and the game being very quickly one-sided - well that's just how it was), added to make the decision to cast it aside so much easier. I might put up with this sort of error and sloppiness on an Eastern Front game, but certainly not the much more boring PacWar. Price too pays a factor. I just think an $80 game, no matter how complex, should be more playable; just a general rule of thumb. Yeah, I know, everybody and their dog disagrees. That's not surprising again.

It seems there's a high ratio of guys willing to forgive Pacific theatre problems simply because they're a lot more desperate for a game than East Front afficinadoes are (it's the best they got is what I keep hearing). I'm very much on the fence with AE, as it's either something to make WITP playable in my view, or it's something to add to my shame of spending so much on a game that even historically was so one-sided.

ORIGINAL: m10bob

"To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort"




Gosh, Charles........that is a very rare comment.......Have you been aware of the patches, or did you move on to another game?

Just curious....(Your opinion is valued, and respected, albeit as rare as ice cream in the Mohave?)

You do tire of bringing your point of view out when so few even attempt to see that view. I just tire of vacant responses, so I get bored. As well, though this is the dominant forum at Matrix, my interest does wane when it's about a game I'm basically not playing, and keep hoping a patch arrived that fixes my more serious issues. Maybe if I buy AE I will increase my traffic, or better yet, when WIR II comes out?

I got every single patch, but then I believe in playing stock, which it seems so many abandoned. I saw nothing in this forum to suggest any of my "remaining" problems were corrected, apart from the usual house rule suggestion, which of course does nothing in so many situations (such as healthy air groups splitting into three parts of the map - not "all" healthy air groups of course), but the ASW system being basically fixed was encouraging.

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

I wouldn't buy WITP to just learn the game, as you can't be assured AE will make it any more delectable. To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort. Now if you can get AE and WITP together, for the price of the original WITP, that might be a worthy gamble, but I am saying that with the anticipation that AE will improve, particularly the bugs and AI, some 75% of the game. There is of course the idea that you can get the two games together in a package that would save you money, as opposed to how most of us guys have already bought WITP full price.

What game is this guy talking about, this is not the WitP that I know, and Love. This has got to be a wind-up, who dose he think he is running our game down... shame on you. [:-]

Im sorry, I didn't know the OP only wanted opinions which were already predetermined to get him to buy the game. [&:]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

I wouldn't buy WITP to just learn the game, as you can't be assured AE will make it any more delectable. To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort. Now if you can get AE and WITP together, for the price of the original WITP, that might be a worthy gamble, but I am saying that with the anticipation that AE will improve, particularly the bugs and AI, some 75% of the game. There is of course the idea that you can get the two games together in a package that would save you money, as opposed to how most of us guys have already bought WITP full price.

What game is this guy talking about, this is not the WitP that I know, and Love. This has got to be a wind-up, who dose he think he is running our game down... shame on you. [:-]

Im sorry, I didn't know the OP only wanted opinions which were already predetermined to get him to buy the game. [&:]

Perhaps I’ve been a bit harsh, but if you had war-gamed this theater on the living-room floor for thirty five years you would appreciate this game the way I do.

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: DivePac88




What game is this guy talking about, this is not the WitP that I know, and Love. This has got to be a wind-up, who dose he think he is running our game down... shame on you. [:-]

Im sorry, I didn't know the OP only wanted opinions which were already predetermined to get him to buy the game. [&:]

Perhaps I’ve been a bit harsh, but if you had war-gamed this theater on the living-room floor for thirty five years you would appreciate this game the way I do.

I did play Pacific War in the old days, but then I have the appreciation of most anything computerized, and had it not been for computers I would never had got into wargaming. I had my two board game moments before computers came about, and saw that remembering all the rules was impossible. My brother thought he was willing to play those board games with me, but that also required me teaching him, and as I didn't know it, there was no point.

Thanks for all of the input guys. Am currently out of work for the next few months after surgery to repair my biceps tendon so I will have plenty of time to get down & dirty with all of the game's details, but am currently limited to only 1 arms usage lol. Gotta figure a way to get my cast set so I can plop it up on the table to help with the keyboard.

ORIGINAL: BAR

Thanks for all of the input guys. Am currently out of work for the next few months after surgery to repair my biceps tendon so I will have plenty of time to get down & dirty with all of the game's details, but am currently limited to only 1 arms usage lol. Gotta figure a way to get my cast set so I can plop it up on the table to help with the keyboard.

BAR, Lucky for you this game doesn't need two arms really. This is a very easy point and click game. I play it on the laptop with the pad and do just fine with it. You should be able to keep that arm rested. Only serious problem you might have is drinking your beverage of choice and playing. I would suggest you stop just long enough to take a sip.[:D]

One Word: Straws.
 
Been in rehab, Straws are key for beveraging under those conditions.

ORIGINAL: grraven2004

ORIGINAL: BAR

Thanks for all of the input guys. Am currently out of work for the next few months after surgery to repair my biceps tendon so I will have plenty of time to get down & dirty with all of the game's details, but am currently limited to only 1 arms usage lol. Gotta figure a way to get my cast set so I can plop it up on the table to help with the keyboard.

BAR, Lucky for you this game doesn't need two arms really. This is a very easy point and click game. I play it on the laptop with the pad and do just fine with it. You should be able to keep that arm rested. Only serious problem you might have is drinking your beverage of choice and playing. I would suggest you stop just long enough to take a sip.[:D]

But what if it's his right arm, and his mouse is right-handed? We may have a butter side down situation here.

Fortunately it is the left arm in the sling and I am right-handed. Now just have to squeeze in some time to DL the game between the sponge baths. My GF has been very accomodating in that department[:D]

ORIGINAL: BAR

Fortunately it is the left arm in the sling and I am right-handed. Now just have to squeeze in some time to DL the game between the sponge baths. My GF has been very accomodating in that department[:D]

Gee......No work.......Just time to play our favorite game........GF.....Spongebaths.........Sounds rough ![&o]

Took the plunge and jumped in with both feet. Got the Digital DL & Physical shipment coming. Was looking forward to getting into the game all day today but ended up sleeping until 3:15 pm. Hand has been really swollen last few days so must have needed the rest - feels alot better now so I will have to just try again tomorrow. Patched it up to 1.806 and that was all I could find on the Matrix site. Thank you all for your input - now just waiting for AE like everyone else. Good games all!

Glad to here you got some sleep - hopefully that will hold you for a few months - once you start playing you might not get any for some time!
[:D]

Welcome to the club, BAR. Yes, v1.806 is the latest, just make sure you apply the v1.804 Comprehensive before you apply v1.806.

ORIGINAL: BAR

Took the plunge and jumped in with both feet. Got the Digital DL & Physical shipment coming.

Excellent! Glad to hear you got it. I do hope you said your goodbyes to loved ones first though. [:'(]

Welcome to the fold BAR, this is the best operational game out there, even with some of its faults. You will find that it is a very deep game that the more you learn about the game, the more layers you will find. But one warning; watch you rehydration and food intake, you can forget about worldly things when you play this game. [;)]

And strangely, BAR is off the net.....

Probably the sponge bath ...

ORIGINAL: Flying Tiger

And strangely, BAR is off the net.....

Some choices are just a "no-brainer".

CB

Thanks everyone,

This question has been on my mind too for a couple of weeks since learning of AE's pending release on the horizon.

I loved UV and spent many hours in play against the AI and I have fond memories of a number of PBEM games too. Though UV had its quirks, I often rolled into work tried and hung over from the "just one more turn" syndrome.

For some reason I never quite got around to buying and playing WiTP. I'm still not sure why--marriage, job, kids....hmmm....silly excuses I know. [8D]

I assume AE is going to have a hard copy manual. If so, I'll just do the digital download of WiTP and order AE as a physical copy when it comes out.