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ORIGINAL: FAsea

A good thing about having both is that you can play more scenarios. (searching for positives to having both here)

My impression is that AE will be more modder friendly than WitP. Going forward, we can expect many more scenarios for AE than were ever created for WitP, no?

Scenarios. Right there is, for me, the crux of the matter. If AE has, or will have, an abundance of short-term, therefore playable scenarios, I can see buying it--even if the price is steep.

No way I will commit my entire gaming life for years on end to playing the grand campaign(s) of just this one game. I do have other competing gaming interests after all, not to mention other RL obligations and projects (see my sig).

But if this game offers lots of short-term, therefore playable scenarios--scenarios simulating single engagements (e.g., Battle of Midway, Battle of Leyte Gulf, etc.) or theater campaigns (e.g., War in Burma, Liberation of the Philippines, etc.), I will surely buy it.

WitP with grand campaign(s) and just a handful of token, tutorial-type scenarios? No sale.

AE with many shorter scenarios (and only incidentally--to me--grand campaign(s))? Sign me up!

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
So lets say AE is 50 bucks... don't eat out twice in one month, there is your 50 bucks...

AE as a stand-alone (no requirement to also purchase WitP) game for just $50? A no-brainer, a certain purchase that.

It's not really a question of simple finance. I can easily come up with the money. (Heck, I could finance purchasing every single game Matrix sells.)

It's more a question of moral accountability (to myself, to my wife and family), a matter of conscience. I can't "afford" any longer to throw away my money on games that never get played.

ORIGINAL: berto

AE as a stand-alone (no requirement to also purchase WitP)

There is no getting around this, WiTP-AE will require WiTP.

It is not an option, it is a fact.

Hi guys,

One bit of news. We discussed and agreed to discount WITP for a limited time when AE is released, so that those who are excited by AE but don't own either game will have a lower total cost. Keep in mind this will be a limited time offer, so if you're looking for that opportunity, this will be it. We hope this will encourage some of the price-related fence sitters to test the water, it's really quite nice. [8D] The next chance will probably be in our annual holiday sale. The long term price of WITP will not decrease and we still do feel that it's a good idea to buy and try WITP first before jumping into AE. WITP does indeed also have scenario content that is not duplicated in AE and its increased scale means that it is in some ways less daunting.

Regards,

- Erik

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

ORIGINAL: berto

AE as a stand-alone (no requirement to also purchase WitP)

There is no getting around this, WiTP-AE will require WiTP.

It is not an option, it is a fact.

That's correct, we're trying to make this as clear as we can in all our releases.

Is any WITP version fine or a certain baseline version?

ORIGINAL: pionkki

Is any WITP version fine or a certain baseline version?

I use my original disk which has 1.2 on it...when I do installs of the AE Beta.

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
One bit of news. We discussed and agreed to discount WITP for a limited time when AE is released, so that those who are excited by AE but don't own either game will have a lower total cost. Keep in mind this will be a limited time offer, so if you're looking for that opportunity, this will be it. We hope this will encourage some of the price-related fence sitters to test the water, it's really quite nice. [8D] The next chance will probably be in our annual holiday sale. The long term price of WITP will not decrease and we still do feel that it's a good idea to buy and try WITP first before jumping into AE. WITP does indeed also have scenario content that is not duplicated in AE and its increased scale means that it is in some ways less daunting.

That is good news.

And thanks for the clarifications.

I'm still not thrilled with the prospect of having to buy two games when I really want just the newer one.

But with enough scenarios (and therefore playability), and if the discounted price is right (low enough to offset the possibility I might never really play the game(s)), I'm sold!

Berto, 
WitP has been the cheapest game I have ever purchased, when compared to how many hours of play time I have had with it.  IMHO you will not be disappointed with the purchase.  
Just be forewarned this game can eat up most of your spare time and it is easy for it to become an addiction.  
 
Daryl

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

I see it this way. WitP has been out there a long time now, and continuing sales are minimal. AE is largely a volunteer project directed primarily at us WitP idiots. If you don't have WitP by now, you must not want it. If you think AE is too high priced, no matter the price, it isn't directed at you.

So, as Ken Kesey might say at this point, you're either on the bus or you're not.

True.

How about a discounted AE and the people who haven’t got WitP by now pay full price, no… oh well never mind was just a thought anyway. [;)]

Looking at it from a business prospective - I think the price for AE should be relatively high. You've got a core group of gamers that will whine a little but probably buy it anyway. The extra few dollars a purchace would far outweigh the hard-heads that would squeal like stuck pigs about an extra $10. And if AE makes a large enough profit for Matrix, it means more games like AE will be funded and pushed forward. It's all about money.

I need AE NOW!!!!

soon.......

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

I see it this way. WitP has been out there a long time now, and continuing sales are minimal. AE is largely a volunteer project directed primarily at us WitP idiots. If you don't have WitP by now, you must not want it. If you think AE is too high priced, no matter the price, it isn't directed at you.

So, as Ken Kesey might say at this point, you're either on the bus or you're not.

True.

Isn't it possible that (a) life circumstances change and (b) AE overcomes deficiencies in WitP that (c) might make one now more open to purchasing the game? Does the bus come around only once?

ultimately, no matter what anyone says, you the purchaser must make a choice and yes.....take a chance....or opt to not take a chance and not purchase. The point Pats was making is that WitP has been around for a long time. If 5 years is not enough time to make a decision to spend one small sum of money...(compared to alot of other things out there.....i recently spent many times witp's price to aquire a rare book) then AE really won't make that much of a difference. Is it improved? yes.....but its also way more involved than WitP. As such it may not be for everyone. Some may prefer WitP alone over AE. Ultimately it is not WitP II. Its an expansion for an existing product and as such it will appeal most to people who already own the game and want more.

ORIGINAL: pionkki

Is any WITP version fine or a certain baseline version?

From what somebody told me on this forum, I think it was Eric, you need only the 1.0. This is important to some of us, like myself, who have WITP fully patched on another computer, but as I've played WITP so little and might play AE quite a bit, there is want for making any WITP install as easy as possible. I know I will at least never play WITP on the new computer, so there's no need to go through the hassle of patching it up.

ultimately, no matter what anyone says, you the purchaser must make a choice and yes.....take a chance....or opt to not take a chance and not purchase. The point Pats was making is that WitP has been around for a long time. If 5 years is not enough time to make a decision to spend one small sum of money...(compared to alot of other things out there.....i recently spent many times witp's price to aquire a rare book) then AE really won't make that much of a difference. Is it improved? yes.....but its also way more involved than WitP. As such it may not be for everyone. Some may prefer WitP alone over AE. Ultimately it is not WitP II. Its an expansion for an existing product and as such it will appeal most to people who already own the game and want more.

Idisagree with that. In my experience Oportunity is one most important and at same time despised concepts for a commercial venture.
First: there are persons that are arriving to Wargaming.
Second: Internet is continously expnading its reach.
Third: People lives change, get kids, wife, problems or just have a new project and go out of Wargaming.
Fourth: Simplicity. User complexity is enemy of any commercial success , having to install Witp to get AE doens't make any sense. If i was the boss i would put 2 versions: one standalone for new buyers or old users that want a closed system and another cheaper for old users.
For someone that is arriving now doesn't make any sense to go to Witp(the time learning investment dosn't changes much). Check the thread were a member of this forum asked for advice.

well he said he'd been lurking here for years and still hadn't come to a decision so there's no just arrived situation here. AE is an expansion to an existing game. Its been a long time in development and Matrix has earn revenue to keep producing. Ultimately AE is not necessary to purchase and play WitP. Some may prefer WitP's greater simplicity over AE.

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi guys,

One bit of news. We discussed and agreed to discount WITP for a limited time when AE is released, so that those who are excited by AE but don't own either game will have a lower total cost. Keep in mind this will be a limited time offer, so if you're looking for that opportunity, this will be it. We hope this will encourage some of the price-related fence sitters to test the water, it's really quite nice. [8D] The next chance will probably be in our annual holiday sale. The long term price of WITP will not decrease and we still do feel that it's a good idea to buy and try WITP first before jumping into AE. WITP does indeed also have scenario content that is not duplicated in AE and its increased scale means that it is in some ways less daunting.

Regards,

- Erik

So it comes down those who bought WitP when it came out get to pay full price and those that didn't support WitP get to pay a reduced price. Yeah, sounds fair! [:(]