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"HoI series is Real Time"


Sorry, but I have always hated the way this term is used in computer gaming. WITP, played once a day on one day turns is far closer to playing Real Time than any "continuous time" wargame. My PBEM is averaging just over 1.2 turns a day, which means that it is going to take damned close to the same amount of time to play our game as the real war lasted.

The price is reflective of the research, time and effort put into creating a beautiful simulation of the Pacific war. If you enjoy this kind of game, you will be assimilated...

How many played PacWar for almost a decade until Matrix decided to fix it up for free in 1998 1999? Then decided damn there are some hardcore players out there and Grigsby and crew however they hooked up decided to make WITP and gave us UV in 2002 to keep us hungry....

Not to mention the other great classic game that I played for hundreds of "real time" days War in Russia. Too bad they didn't remake that one on the same premise. Many other good games under the same banner but none I have played felt like WIR with the squads and debating "Do I send that broken division back in combat or wait!"

What great games

Got WitP 2004 as Xmas gift. With Combat Mission (BB and AK), it was one of the few games I still play after 5 years. Now I think I uninstall WitP, since I have AE. [:D]
 
WitP has given me massive value for money (especially since it was gift [8D]) during these years. I fully expect to still play AE in 2014...at least hopefully. [:'(]

You pay what you pay because there are no other games like it. You should be glad that it exists in the first place. Its a niche game to the extreme.

Yes the game ist cheap...but in terms of value for money it is almost priceless..considering the money i have wasted on other "entertainment" (other half's choice in movies being a case in point).Having played WitP almost constantly since it came out years ago then imo its the best that money can buy and well worth the initial outlay [:)]

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

You pay what you pay because there are no other games like it. You should be glad that it exists in the first place. Its a niche game to the extreme.

Very weak and powerless words for my emotions, but I sign them!

ORIGINAL: 51st Highland Div

Yes the game ist cheap...but in terms of value for money it is almost priceless..considering the money i have wasted on other "entertainment" (other half's choice in movies being a case in point).Having played WitP almost constantly since it came out years ago then imo its the best that money can buy and well worth the initial outlay [:)]

So I did.

Bevor by random I found Matrixgames (via Forge of Freedom) I hunted for every commercial reviews of so named experts.
If they write the game XXX is incredible deep, hard to master and so on and if I was interested in the teather, or story these games offer I gave them a try and spend money for it.
Most times I wasted my money and a good part of my lifetime.

Report to Matrix:
If I could, I would spend all the money that I have thrown out in the past 20 years for worthless games for praiseing and thanks to Matrixgames. And that was a lot more then 100 $. [&o]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

ORIGINAL: dsuday

I like Strategy games and I was looking for buy some good strategy games and I came across this one. I see that the price is around 80 bucks, why is that ?

Is it much different from the Paradox games like Hearts of Iron etc...?

I was wondering the same thing, what makes this game so much better than other games?Surely other developers work just as hard for their games.Why dont they deserve to have their game cost $90?

I ordered this game because I like War Plan Orange(Another pacific game by 2by3 games) and it just looked awesome.So its on it's way, I just found out that I'm going to have to wait another week and half to get it which is pissing me off.[:@]

'Supposedly' this game is ultimate pacific wargame, no denying that.This game is no doubt going to be awesome, and I believe its worth all the money for it, although a friendlier price would be more appreciated.($100 for a game is something to think about)

For another game perhaps, but for a game that you can play with for years? Think about it. How many other games have so many followers after 3 years? Think about it as dollars per hour. Witp AE costs like 5 dinners at a cheap restaurant or 6 nights at the cinema. If you are a gentleman and invite your girlfriend Witp equals to 3 dinners and 3 movies. Do you still think that it is expensive?

ORIGINAL: Templer

ORIGINAL: 51st Highland Div

Yes the game ist cheap...but in terms of value for money it is almost priceless..considering the money i have wasted on other "entertainment" (other half's choice in movies being a case in point).Having played WitP almost constantly since it came out years ago then imo its the best that money can buy and well worth the initial outlay [:)]

So I did.

Bevor by random I found Matrixgames (via Forge of Freedom) I hunted for every commercial reviews of so named experts.
If they write the game XXX is incredible deep, hard to master and so on and if I was interested in the teather, or story these games offer I gave them a try and spend money for it.
Most times I wasted my money and a good part of my lifetime.

Report to Matrix:
If I could, I would spend all the money that I have thrown out in the past 20 years for worthless games for praiseing and thanks to Matrixgames. And that was a lot more then 100 $. [&o]

My feelings exactly. It may seem silly, but Matrix really improved my life.

ORIGINAL: dsuday

I like Strategy games and I was looking for buy some good strategy games and I came across this one. I see that the price is around 80 bucks, why is that ?

Because it's the best game you'll ever buy in your life.

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"HoI series is Real Time"


Sorry, but I have always hated the way this term is used in computer gaming. WITP, played once a day on one day turns is far closer to playing Real Time than any "continuous time" wargame. My PBEM is averaging just over 1.2 turns a day, which means that it is going to take damned close to the same amount of time to play our game as the real war lasted.

The price is reflective of the research, time and effort put into creating a beautiful simulation of the Pacific war. If you enjoy this kind of game, you will be assimilated...

Actually, with the little time I have to play, the game is taking longer than the war itself... [X(]

hello, this discussion is imho as old as the bible. [8|]

plz buy it or leave it but leave us alone if you dont buy it.

worth of a game is usually calculated : hours played / price paid.

now tell me WHAT kind of games are expensive....[8|]

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For another game perhaps, but for a game that you can play with for years? Think about it. How many other games have so many followers after 3 years? Think about it as dollars per hour. Witp AE costs like 5 dinners at a cheap restaurant or 6 nights at the cinema. If you are a gentleman and invite your girlfriend Witp equals to 3 dinners and 3 movies. Do you still think that it is expensive?
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And if you won´t to be a gentleman you don´t have to share WitP:AE with you girlfriend.

ORIGINAL: dsuday

I like Strategy games and I was looking for buy some good strategy games and I came across this one. I see that the price is around 80 bucks, why is that ?

It's not "so expensive". In the time it would take you to grow tired of another game, you will still be learning how to master the strategies and tactics of AE. And when you do figure out how to "whip" the AI, there are another several thousand hours of fun to be had learning how to "whip" a PBEM opponant. If you like an involved and challenging multi-level strategy game, this is the cheapest buy available. And much better supported than almost any other (just look at the forum).

Honestly, I had the same concern as the OP on this one and I took the leap anyway...just because of the passion and the AARs that I saw on this very forum. I am EXTREMELY satisfied that I bought this game over HOI3 and I've been playing this game to exclusion of all others right now. This is coming from a noob who never played a game of this complexity before....

ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

hello, this discussion is imho as old as the bible. [8|]

plz buy it or leave it but leave us alone if you dont buy it.

worth of a game is usually calculated : hours played / price paid.

now tell me WHAT kind of games are expensive....[8|]

Maybe a little bit to harsh. [:(]

WitP:AE player are a very small pile of experts.

So serious prise the Game where ever you can.

The more games are sold - the better for Matrixgames and further service, improvements, investment and for their will to continue.

If nobody buys the games, no new trailers can be obtained, Matrixgames have to die.

Thats a fact and a law of economy.
I´m confident you understand this.

And if you're tired of promotion - don´t read these posts.

No offense! [:)]

ORIGINAL: dsuday

I like Strategy games and I was looking for buy some good strategy games and I came across this one. I see that the price is around 80 bucks, why is that ?

Is it much different from the Paradox games like Hearts of Iron etc...?

If you just like them WitP:AE could be expansive. I agree.

If you love strategy games, if strategy is your passion und you´re not afraid of hard work and the use of your brain, the 80 bucks could be one of your best investments.

I think I will take a plunge into this game when I get my next paycheck. I played the HOI III Demo and it is plagued with issues, and looking at the passion and "War Stories" in the forum, I think it might be worth an investment to move on to something big and play some thing other than (click-Build-Rush and Click once again) strategy games. I would have loved a demo though. But I think it is high time that I leave behind the regular RTS's and play something more complex. Though I am a wargaming novice, it does look like playing this game might give me some idea on how real life military campaigns are executed and that I think would be an valuable education.

 
When I buy a new wargame, whatever the price - a true passion is not economic rationality - I'm always under some charm and love reading the new rules, starting the game, experiencing it... But then it enters my collection and the magic of these first moments desappears as extra hobby life goes on again. The very good wargames provide such feelings as I open the box even years after the first plays. In art museums the master pieces you like very much provide special enjoyement and sensations each time you meet them again, and each time they hit you more deeply. Likewise the master piece wargames provide such special feelings just by looking at their box ! 
 
WitP-AE is not only one of these. The manual can not only be looked at every few months... the game itself can be plaid every day ! And in comparision I can not visit my favorite art museums even once per two years. AE is one of the main master pieces in the museum of wargames, and the only one playable so intensively by visiting it daily for a short or long session, a pemanent charm. Moreover, for me, it is the ONLY master piece in the museum of computer wargames. And it my favorite wargame master piece.
 
The communauty and developpers are overactive, the game in perpetual renewal and evolution, mods... AE is simply alive. When you invest a lot of free time and little money - which is nothing but a few working time - in the AE system then you have no more to endure heavy rules again since you pratice them frequently, no way to gorget, only spend you playing time to think, adapt, learn more, balance choices and then experience the very realistic consequences of you strategy.
 
Hence, to be economically fair I should indeed give far more money to AE dev'. So it is better not to argue too much on that, you will at last have to give even more money to cover the REAL intrinsic value of the game! As others I wasted so many euros on computer wargames either unfinished or unplayable, with stupid AI's and broken or unexplained systems... I've a long list on names in front of me - no good feelings when looking at these boxes for sure. So I join the claim "all this money would better be sent back to AE dev' team". They may be proud of such an achievement. Serious release takes time, knowledge, inspiration, skills, good taste, passion and intellect - and hard work of course, but insufficient alone. Master pieces requier all this. So what is the price, by the way?

ORIGINAL: Tazo

 
When I buy a new wargame, whatever the price - a true passion is not economic rationality

That sums it up for a lot of people in this forum!

WITP/WITP:AE are some of the few games that i have purchase that I can keep coming back to. There is always something new to learn or just discovering new ways of looking at things in the game. It is hard to regret a purchase on a product that delivers things like that.