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RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:05 pm
by PitifulGrunt
ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: PitifulGrunt
Hmmmm. Rips game and fans of game in first post, then admits he doesn't know how to play game in later post and has the nerve to ask previously insulted fans for help, then starts telling company rep how company should be run. But like I said, I'm a robot.
Hi Grunt I feel I did not insult anyone just wanted to stir things up and get players thinking about this game and fyi I have been on the forums for 5 years, dont let my join date throw you. I know it said May 2009 that was because of an e-mail change, you seem to have just joined but anyway welcome and also if you had gone through with what Michejlq and me and hundreds of others have gone through waiting for Matrix and its bosses to get MWIF out to the public you might realize where I am coming from with them all patiences have worn thin and mabye I am taking out my frustrations in the wrong forum and for that I apoigize. Should not have brought up MWIF on this forum
Bo
Hi Bo,
you are correct - i am quite the newbie to matrix. I have spent some time reading various threads in the RtV forum however and my personal impression of the developers, the game, and especially the members of the forum have convinced me that the game is actually pretty darn good. i have to give Kudos to Matrix/Wastelands for offering Tow free to anyone that purchased RtV. as a firm believer in capitalism, that comes close to disgusting me. [:D] My biggest complaint with the game is that the AI is fairly useless. At the same time the total number of AIs out there that are substantially better is extremely small. I think someone pointed out earlier that mediocre graphics may make way for an improved AI and I'd be happy with that compromise. At the same time, I'm not really interested in how pretty something is either.
As for WiF, I've never played it so I know I can't relate to your comments. As a businessman though I understand how big pictures effect projects. I'm sure there have been times where Matrix has thought to itself "If it were only that simple..." I digress ...
no harm no foul. I like the game. I look forward to the patch and starting a PBEM with some folks. I think the forums are great, especially when you find pages and pages of historical theory being argued. thanks to the forum members for the time spent arguing amogst yourselves and educating the rest of us! Matrix - good luck with WiF!
Merry Christmas to all!!!!
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:01 pm
by borsook79
Actually I may say that while I love the game, and I like the graphics (i.e. units) I am unhappy with the map, it is simply too dark and hence hard to read.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:20 pm
by LarryP
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
ORIGINAL: LarryP
I love the game and am anxiously waiting for the beta patch. It gets better all the time. [:D]
Yea but Larry, your one of the biggest robots around [&o]
ducks and hides[:-]
Hey, I only weigh 168 pounds and am 6'-2"! That's not big. [;)]
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:30 pm
by Hard Sarge
Hmmm, got 2 inches on me, but I got about 100 pounds on you
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:38 pm
by Mike Parker
Heh... I'll take Hard Sarge.. giving 3:2! C'mon don't be scared.. LarryP is wirey
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:02 pm
by LarryP
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
Hmmm, got 2 inches on me, but I got about 100 pounds on you
We're both still big robots.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:02 pm
by LarryP
ORIGINAL: Mike Parker
Heh... I'll take Hard Sarge.. giving 3:2! C'mon don't be scared.. LarryP is wirey
I'd bet on Hard Sarge too! [;)]
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:29 pm
by vonRocko
Matrix..good..Matrix..good..Matrix..good..robot out.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:27 pm
by wilecki
ORIGINAL: bo
French Canadian wow do they still have voting rights in English Canada? hehe!
Warning! Does not compute.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:05 am
by Magpius
what kinda robot?
- dalek
- cyberman
- robbie
- robot (bubble headed booby)
- data
all of them are kick-arse, so I'll take it as a compliment.
TOW is fun, 'nuff said
play it or not you have a choice, and if you don't like the look of it...mod it YOURSELF
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:16 am
by Anraz
Once I was perceived (=named) as an entertainment bot so I infer ToW must be the first game made by bots for robots [:D]
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:16 pm
by Sgt.Fury25
WHAT....do....you....mean....we....are....robots....that....does....not....compute.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:22 pm
by bo
I am truly sorry for using the phrase robot for forum users it was not fair and I stand corrected, I put all forum users on Matrix forums in one bag and I should not have done that, it stemmed from the forums on MWIF where most of the users when told year after year MWIF was just around the corner said oh gee good work [Shannon] thanks for all your hard work blah blah blah, we were told that MWIF would be done in September 2009 but guess what, no way. The robot word came from me because of this praising the good work of Shannon and Matrix, instead of writing to Matrix and complaing about the no help that the head programmer was getting by Matix, robot meaning year after year same old crap by the posters. Most of you are not in that category so I am truly sorry for my comments. I will not change my opinion of the map ww2 time of wrath because it is very poor with the graphics available in the year 2009, the attitude of I would rather have good playability and good AI over graphics is fine if thats the way you feel. But with the good programmers around and with all the tools available to them I believe in my heart and soul they could have done a lot better [one players opinion] drawing a map up. I will not offer an apology to Eric because he and others in Matrix are not helping the programmers in MWIF finishing the job in a reasonable amount of time. Sorry for talking too much about MWIF on this Wrath forum but that is what led me to the wrong word of robot, again I am sorry for my comment of robot.
Bo
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:30 pm
by Michael the Pole
Bo, you'll find that the developers of these games are horses of a radically different color. I was a real flaming rant artist when I first climbed aboard. having had the same experience that you did added to being robbed at gunpoint by the (explatives deleted in the interests of keeping my posting privilidges) at Sony/Steam/Creative Assembly.
They changed my mind.[:-] Utilizing the old Polish proverb about keeping your friends close but your enemies closer, they invited me to join the beta test team, which has developed into a real band of brothers, and is one of the most well informed, dedicated and inventive group of gamers that I've worked with in more than 35 years of wargaming. The developers not only listen to us ([X(]), they also listen to the community on the main board ([X(][X(])
Anyway, the reason that the map looks like it does, is because WE decided that thats how WE wanted it to look. (You'll notice that there are TWO map choices available, but they both look like old paper map war games. Thats because most of us are old fart paper map wargamers.) The designers have also gone to a lot of trouble to make this game the most modder friendly project I've ever seen (for those of you who just HAVE to tinker with the code!) So, if you dont like the bloody map, please design your own, post it to the mod section as other people have, and the democracy that is this community will decide if you have a point or are just a shallow, console-head teeniebopper, fixated on nintendo graphics.
I'm a HUGE fanboy of these guys.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:36 pm
by PitifulGrunt
Ah, a glimpse of the bigger picture. Thank you Michael.
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:34 pm
by doomtrader
Hi bo,
Would you like to throw any examples of games that are graphically comfortable for you??
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:15 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: doomtrader
Hi bo,
Would you like to throw any examples of games that are graphically comfortable for you??
Doom I am not a programmer I just want to play good war games that are not only well conceived but pleasing to the eye. I think SC by battlefront is much more pleasing to look at. Not trying to be argumentive for the moment anyway but I am sure UBI soft could knock our socks off, I have seen pictures of MWIF and the graphics are brillant. Doom if you feel in your heart and are truthful with yourself and you feel these graphics are world class then fine there is nothing more for me to say to you, it will be your opinion and that I will respect as I do everyone else who has an opinion, I think the game is well conceived the AI adequate and sequence of play very well done, I personally like the large map over SC's small map. My opinion is that these graphics are very subpar for the knowledge that is available today in graphics , I truly dont know what I am saying is wrong about the graphics being antiquated.
Bo
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:21 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: Michael the Pole
Bo, you'll find that the developers of these games are horses of a radically different color. I was a real flaming rant artist when I first climbed aboard. having had the same experience that you did added to being robbed at gunpoint by the (explatives deleted in the interests of keeping my posting privilidges) at Sony/Steam/Creative Assembly.
They changed my mind.[:-] Utilizing the old Polish proverb about keeping your friends close but your enemies closer, they invited me to join the beta test team, which has developed into a real band of brothers, and is one of the most well informed, dedicated and inventive group of gamers that I've worked with in more than 35 years of wargaming. The developers not only listen to us ([X(]), they also listen to the community on the main board ([X(][X(])
Anyway, the reason that the map looks like it does, is because WE decided that thats how WE wanted it to look. (You'll notice that there are TWO map choices available, but they both look like old paper map war games. Thats because most of us are old fart paper map wargamers.) The designers have also gone to a lot of trouble to make this game the most modder friendly project I've ever seen (for those of you who just HAVE to tinker with the code!) So, if you dont like the bloody map, please design your own, post it to the mod section as other people have, and the democracy that is this community will decide if you have a point or are just a shallow, console-head teeniebopper, fixated on nintendo graphics.
I'm a HUGE fanboy of these guys.
Good for you stand up for your convictions, I mean that, now for your comment above I am shallow [dont know how you knew that] I am 62 years old, dont have a nintendo so have no idea what your talking about in graphics but I truly do have a fixation on good graphics [sorry about that] what I have said is just an opinion right or wrong.
Bo
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:32 pm
by Hard Sarge
LOL Bo, that is not fair mate, any designer, artist, what not, is never going to be happy with what they end up with, it can always be better
Double LOL, my game, I got a new map, new plane art, and all kinds of goodies, but they are not what I wanted, or would ask for, if I have the power to ask for stuff
think about it, shortly, we going to be able to use something like Google Earth, to make game maps with, we could make the map prefect, instead of guessing and hoping
I might be jadded, I do alot of Alpha and Beta work on games, I have had game I was testing, that didn't have troops, or maps (try fighting a battle with out the troops showing ! try intercepting a bombing raid, with out having any planes on the map, or targets, LOL, the one with out troops, they ended up putting some place holders in, and the testers thought they were great, we found out later, they were just place holders, the real troops were much better !!!, they just weren't ready yet)
I find the map decent for this type of game, have you tried changing the settings for the map ?
RE: what the hell
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:36 pm
by PitifulGrunt
ORIGINAL: bo
... MWIF and the graphics are brillant...
Bo
You're honestly saying you think this picture (from MWIF) is an example of "brilliant graphics" and that ToW's map needs work?
