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IMO she should be in because she was identified as a 'live' BB target by IJN intelligence & their network of informants.  indvidual pilots had been earmarked to attack and sink her as a result before it was realised that she had been relegated to 'reserve' and was no longer a front-line unit. Officialy she was supposed to be ignored by the IJN pilots but, in their eagerness, I think they hit her with a couple of fish and she sank quickly with a relatively heavy loss of life. She was still a battleship,despite her age and down-grading, and she deserves a mention in the role of honour

If shes in than you need to up the Japanese dials because the Pearl attacks will be noticibly worse.

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

She was still a battleship,despite her age and down-grading, and she deserves a mention in the role of honour

on 12/7/41, she did not have any gun larger than an AA caliber. She's not a BB. She's a ship that other ships shoot at for practice, and I think she could train AA gunners as well.

I'm an insane completionist weirdo (maybe not as completionist as Don, though[;)]) and even I don't think she should be included. This falls in the area of making Pennsylvania immune to torp hits. Too much stuff for such little effect.

Pretty soon folks will ask for USS Bass, USS Baracuda and the other ancient SS I can't remember to be included as well. The S boats are in, and they are significantly more effective than the game can model. How many were lost in the war due to accident? I'm thinking it was at least 3.

Well, I'm rambling now. My point is, there are more important things to look at. Minor OOB things can be changed via editor for those inclined.

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

ORIGINAL: xj900uk

She was still a battleship,despite her age and down-grading, and she deserves a mention in the role of honour

on 12/7/41, she did not have any gun larger than an AA caliber. She's not a BB. She's a ship that other ships shoot at for practice, and I think she could train AA gunners as well.

I'm an insane completionist weirdo (maybe not as completionist as Don, though[;)]) and even I don't think she should be included. This falls in the area of making Pennsylvania immune to torp hits. Too much stuff for such little effect.

Pretty soon folks will ask for USS Bass, USS Baracuda and the other ancient SS I can't remember to be included as well. The S boats are in, and they are significantly more effective than the game can model. How many were lost in the war due to accident? I'm thinking it was at least 3.

Well, I'm rambling now. My point is, there are more important things to look at. Minor OOB things can be changed via editor for those inclined.

What about CM-1, ex-Baltimore?

This distinguished ship participated in the 1898 Battle of Manila Bay, and was present during the Pearl Harbor attack.
Yes, she was de-commissioned in 1922, BUT, her hulk was used as a receiving ship.
Therefore, it should be easy to convert her into a troopship.[:'(]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Well, I'm rambling now. My point is, there are more important things to look at. Minor OOB things can be changed via editor for those inclined.

Now THAT'S a respectful and sensible answer, which I fully agree with. Utah is a minor OOB thing, and when I raised the question I did it out of curiosity and interest for the particular significance of her sinking, not because I have strong feelings either way: she can be included with minor effects, or can be excluded with minor effects.

As someone must draw the line in the sand of what is in and what is not, I respect leaving her out. What I'm not ok with is the demeaning tone that people took on both sides of the argument. When people start to express themselves in aggressive or disdainful terms, it doesn't help anything for the game or the community.


Thanks,
fbs

? Cannot say I really saw much in the way of comments here that were agressive or disdainful. Then again I have been browsing these forums since my WITP purchase days.

I suspect I have a bit of a thick skin as a result and know precisely whom to ignore here; IE I will simply scroll past those individuals comments. I suspect you probably have a fair idea of whom is rational in thier replys and whom isnt.

Sadly some folks here involved with WITP/AE seem to take comments and or discussions personally, as opposed to looking at said inquiry etc objectively precisely because they sit a bit too close too the steering wheel. If that made any sense to you.

Here is a good example however, I had a pretty good friend in highschool who was a outstanding artist then, he could create material that was on the Heavy Metal scale. Very outstanding, however if you asked him why he chose to use one colour over another he would get upset. You see, you questioned his creative genius, and he was just that, but saldy, he simply was not able to engage in a discussion about his vision/choices.

However as noted above, there is always the editor.

ORIGINAL: fbs

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Well, I'm rambling now. My point is, there are more important things to look at. Minor OOB things can be changed via editor for those inclined.

Now THAT'S a respectful and sensible answer, which I fully agree with. Utah is a minor OOB thing, and when I raised the question I did it out of curiosity and interest for the particular significance of her sinking, not because I have strong feelings either way: she can be included with minor effects, or can be excluded with minor effects.

As someone must draw the line in the sand of what is in and what is not, I respect leaving her out. What I'm not ok with is the demeaning tone that people took on both sides of the argument. When people start to express themselves in aggressive or disdainful terms, it doesn't help anything for the game or the community.


Thanks,
fbs

It was tried in CHS mod for WitP. but it didn't work out too well. There were multiple attempts to get PH attack results reasonable, including making her BB, then CA etc. But it didn't work too well.