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RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:09 pm
by sven
ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
Christ - I can't believe some of you! Do you not just see things for the enjoyment factor.
Ok...actually I feel sorry for you, because clearly you're so politically wrapped up you can't see out of it!
The only message I picked up from it was it was a good film with some great CGI...end of. Maybe one day you'll be able to watch something without trying to read to hard into the "subliminal" message! [8|]
when Jimmy Cameron is crowing about how overt the "message" is I can do without enriching him or needing to engage in willful blindness to miss it....
see Clancy's, Tom movies and "gee I wish I had had the foresight to make neo-nazis and businessmen the real villains of sum of all fears".....
Hollywierd can make it without my once 2 movie a week habit...I am making it quite ably without them.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:07 pm
by Capt. Harlock
The attention to detail and the world they created was awesome
Visually, yes. From an anthropological basis, not so much. There wasn't a hint of what they do when it rains (no structures), how they handle their excrement, whether or not they have droughts and famines, what they do about birth defects or mental illness, etc., etc. Pandora looks like a fairyland, and from an engineer's jaundiced eye, it is.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:14 pm
by PunkReaper
Ok after reading the comments I now feel the film must have sucked [:(] Storyline was stolen from an old film, there were subliminal political messages and the world that was created didn't show how the sewage was removed.... drat and I had thought it was a visual feast that kept me entertained for nearly 3 hours.... wish I wasn't so shallow.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:18 pm
by JWW
ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
Christ - I can't believe some of you! Do you not just see things for the enjoyment factor.
Ok...actually I feel sorry for you, because clearly you're so politically wrapped up you can't see out of it!
The only message I picked up from it was it was a good film with some great CGI...end of. Maybe one day you'll be able to watch something without trying to read to hard into the "subliminal" message! [8|]
I agree with you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. My whole family enjoyed it. The 3D effects are unprecedented. I could care less about the green message or any other messages in the movie. It was primarily an action movie with a romance thrown in with great special effects.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:30 pm
by SlickWilhelm
ORIGINAL: sabre1
I hope you noticed that the tribes in Avatar had apparently been warring among themselves, and banded together by the "messiah", and benevolent nonbias scientists (did you hear angles just now?) to fight off the new tribe (evil private corporation, backed by evil military) on the block. They will be back to their "peace" loving ways of killing each other off as soon as the "bad boy" is kicked off their planet. It's an old story. Self reliance, individual freedom, creativity, replaced by the collective imposed will of the people with a supposed "messiah" with no other intention other than you should feel blessed by the mere presence of the magnificance of it all. Pardon me while I wipe my eyes and get up from my prostration to the greatnes of what has been revealed to my feeble brain.
I'm tired of being blatantly preached too.
Gee, for someone so tired of being preached at, you sure do a good job of preaching to the rest of us. [8|]
I get what you were driving at Sabre, but geez...this is becoming a theme of yours recently.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:47 pm
by Titanwarrior89
One of the best scifi movies ever made. !0 out of 10. A must see.[X(]
RE: Avatar
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:48 pm
by sol_invictus
ORIGINAL: JW
ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
Christ - I can't believe some of you! Do you not just see things for the enjoyment factor.
Ok...actually I feel sorry for you, because clearly you're so politically wrapped up you can't see out of it!
The only message I picked up from it was it was a good film with some great CGI...end of. Maybe one day you'll be able to watch something without trying to read to hard into the "subliminal" message! [8|]
I agree with you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. My whole family enjoyed it. The 3D effects are unprecedented. I could care less about the green message or any other messages in the movie. It was primarily an action movie with a romance thrown in with great special effects.
I thought it was a thoroughly average action film and was a waste even on that level, but I don't begrudge anyone who liked it. I have greatly enjoyed some very average remakes in the past and will do so again.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:04 am
by JWW
ORIGINAL: Arinvald
ORIGINAL: JW
ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
Christ - I can't believe some of you! Do you not just see things for the enjoyment factor.
Ok...actually I feel sorry for you, because clearly you're so politically wrapped up you can't see out of it!
The only message I picked up from it was it was a good film with some great CGI...end of. Maybe one day you'll be able to watch something without trying to read to hard into the "subliminal" message! [8|]
I agree with you. I thoroughly enjoyed it. My whole family enjoyed it. The 3D effects are unprecedented. I could care less about the green message or any other messages in the movie. It was primarily an action movie with a romance thrown in with great special effects.
I thought it was a thoroughly average action film and was a waste even on that level, but I don't begrudge anyone who liked it. I have greatly enjoyed some very average remakes in the past and will do so again.
You're right in 2D. I would never have gone to watch it in 2D.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:44 am
by sabre1
Sorry, I LOVED IT. Everyone go see it. No seriously. [&o]
RE: Avatar
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:57 am
by Halsey
ORIGINAL: sabre1
Arinvald,
I hope you noticed that the tribes in Avatar had apparently been warring among themselves, and banded together by the "messiah", and benevolent nonbias scientists (did you hear angles just now?) to fight off the new tribe (evil private corporation, backed by evil military) on the block. They will be back to their "peace" loving ways of killing each other off as soon as the "bad boy" is kicked off their planet. It's an old story. Self reliance, individual freedom, creativity, replaced by the collective imposed will of the people with a supposed "messiah" with no other intention other than you should feel blessed by the mere presence of the magnificance of it all. Pardon me while I wipe my eyes and get up from my prostration to the greatnes of what has been revealed to my feeble brain.
Great analogy!
Laughed so hard , it brought tears to my eyes.
You have reinforced my own perceived beliefs about the human race.[;)][:D]
RE: Avatar
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:35 am
by Jeffrey H.
ORIGINAL: sven
ORIGINAL: sprior
Sherlock Holmes is a much better film.
QFT, and *somehow* it was a far better film sans an overt political bent.
...sounds like one for me.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:42 am
by Jeffrey H.
ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
The attention to detail and the world they created was awesome
Visually, yes. From an anthropological basis, not so much. There wasn't a hint of what they do when it rains (no structures), how they handle their excrement, whether or not they have droughts and famines, what they do about birth defects or mental illness, etc., etc. Pandora looks like a fairyland, and from an engineer's jaundiced eye, it is.
Well it looks so nice to have a utopian society that somehow avoids the needs of a modern society.
What better way to contrast the evil doings of a real society with real needs.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:50 pm
by E
Just saw Avatar... it was fun in a cutesy sort of way... Military Sci-Fi meets Disney/Pixar. But then again, I was just looking to be entertained for awhile.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:17 am
by JagdFlanker
the only thing that bothered me was the (land) animals on the planet all seemed to have 6 limbs while the natives only had 4 limbs
otherwise was pretty good in spite of the predictable story
one day a movie like this is going to shock the hell out of us when the underdog loses and gets wiped out like what would happen 99% of the time in that situation - THAT would have made the movie impressive
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:18 am
by NefariousKoel
The attention to detail and the world they created was awesome
I saw people stepping on tiles that lighted up like Michael Jackson's Billy Jean video. It's amazing new technology.. since the 80s.
If you need help visualizing that, here ya go (lights up where you step):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi_XLOBDo_Y
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:30 am
by Twotribes
ORIGINAL: JW
I know one person who saw it both 2D and 3D. He says the 3D experience was incomparably better. I saw it 3D and thought it was great. A good movie, old theme, Dances with Wolves in Space as some have called it, but the special effects and 3D are simply incredible. It is a great movie from that standpoint.
I keep reading it is an antiwar movie, but I don't get that message from the movie based on the actions of the indigenous big blue people. If anything, it is a movie in part about how you have to fight for your liberty sometimes.
There is also an obvious in-your-face environmentalist theme, but I've found very few people who saw the movie who really care about that theme one way or the other.
The obvious anti corporate, anti Government, anti materialistic theme sells well as sci fi cause well LOTS of sci fi have that as a theme. So when you are a die hard sci fi person it does not phase you a bit that the plot has that in it.
LOVED the movie, plot be damned ). Old hat though. As soon as you discover the main character is ( A crippled, B) A Marine, C) going to take over a body that is neither, the story is told. The rest is fluff.
So one ignores the plot and watches the movie for entertainment, and it ENTERTAINS very well. The mistake now would be for anti environmentalists to start thinking the Movie's success had anything to do with the message.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:49 am
by leastonh1
How suitable would Avatar be for a 6yr old boy to watch? He's nuts about sci-fi and loves action movies. I want to keep him away from sex, bad language and gratuitous violence and wondered if Avatar is ok on that score?
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:48 am
by sprior
ORIGINAL: Jim_H
How suitable would Avatar be for a 6yr old boy to watch? He's nuts about sci-fi and loves action movies. I want to keep him away from sex, bad language and gratuitous violence and wondered if Avatar is ok on that score?
It's rated 12A and I was apprehensive about taking my 10 yo. There are lots of people getting blown up, shot, stabbed, thrown off of heights etc. There's no blood, dismembered limbs laying around etc. The sex is confined to some tongue action. Hope this helps. Son loved it.
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:15 am
by freeboy
ok, in regard to your child, sex, not gratuitus but has a major influence on the charactor developement, used as a bridge.. inappropriate for a child imo
violence, WAY into innapropriate for a child!
We are so desenthisized in our uber violent culture many may ask why I feel this why, seriously violent film.
My overall impression is its an anti war movie, or a pro "throw out the imperialist war movie", that troubled me some with the spiritual/sexual bonding to the beasts.. way way past a harmonious co existance.. but thats jsut me.. for actual film quality, those special things that take a story and make it memorable and enjoyable this is a very good movie...
Again, imo a totally inapropriate movie for your 6 year old.. good luck
RE: Avatar
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:43 am
by leastonh1
Thanks for the replies. It does sound like too much of an adult movie for him. As it's rated 12, a 10yr old going is fine, but not a 6yr old.