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ORIGINAL: ralphtrick

Since toaw doesn't have simple attack and defense strengths, it also takes into account the percent of the defenders who are armored. If you've got infantry against tanks, you're going to see a pretty small value for the AR.

History has shown that tanks are notoriously poor at holding ground against grunts without said tanks having some kind of infantry support. Do defenders that are purely armored receive a benefit against infantry? Seems it should be the other way around.

ORIGINAL: Panama

ORIGINAL: ralphtrick

Since toaw doesn't have simple attack and defense strengths, it also takes into account the percent of the defenders who are armored. If you've got infantry against tanks, you're going to see a pretty small value for the AR.

History has shown that tanks are notoriously poor at holding ground against grunts without said tanks having some kind of infantry support. Do defenders that are purely armored receive a benefit against infantry? Seems it should be the other way around.

Ralph should have said "attackers with low AT values against pure armored defenders".

If all the defender's equipment is armored, only the attacker's AT values will be included in the AR. If all the defender's equipment is unarmored, only the attacker's AP values will be included in the AR. If half the defense strength is from armored equipment and half from unarmored, then half the attacker's AP and half the attacker's AT will be included in the AR.

So, if the defenders are all tanks, only the AT values of the attackers will be considered. For some infantry, that will be quite low. But that will be the case in combat resolution as well.

Of course, some infantry have large AT values - available when the designer considers that to be appropriate.

What does it mean that a support unit is crossed out? I don't remember seeing it when I still played ACOW.

Well it can but it won't assist because it's neither directly used in the attack nor set on tactical reserve so it could support the attack.

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Well it can but it won't assist because it's neither directly used in the attack nor set on tactical reserve so it could support the attack.

Why isn't the defending Arty unit on the right crossed out? It's not on tactical reserve either.

What do you mean "directly" used"? Do you mean close combat like non-arty units do?

ORIGINAL: marjur

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Well it can but it won't assist because it's neither directly used in the attack nor set on tactical reserve so it could support the attack.

Why isn't the defending Arty unit on the right crossed out? It's not on tactical reserve either.

Supporting deployments are: Tactical Reserve, Local Reserve, Defending, Entrenched, and Fortified. The "X"ed out units are in Mobile deployment - that doesn't support (it's like the "Rest" deployment for bombers).

What do you mean "directly" used"? Do you mean close combat like non-arty units do?

Directly assigned to the attack - with the gold arrowhead in one of its corners.

The unit on the right is defending and in this mode it supports attack and defense.
And with directly I mean you can click an them to directly assign them to the attack, it will use more "power" as a unit on tactical reserve uses only a part of its actual strength for these things, not sure of a defending unit also uses only a part of its strength.

The unit on the right is defending and in this mode it supports attack and defense.

So a defending arty unit will support some non-arty unit which is defending or attacking, right? Does the defending arty unit support with full strength or only half, or some other amount?

ORIGINAL: marjur

The unit on the right is defending and in this mode it supports attack and defense.

So a defending arty unit will support some non-arty unit which is defending or attacking, right?

Right, check the manual to see how much they use, I think it's half of their strength.