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ORIGINAL: BASB

G'day, firstly lets not cast dispersions on this forum 1 thread has already been locked, lets keep our opinions to the game

I agree completely. There are a lot of truly fine gentlemen involved in this project. It would be terribly wrong for us to undermine their work because of concerns that some of our readers may have regarding anyone's "guilt by association."

That said, there's a growing list of games that I haven't purchased because I found the licensing scheme objectionable. I've spent many thousands of dollars on games over the years, and I have no intention of accepting punishment because of the misdeeds of others.

No rentals, please. [8D]

I have bought box versions of games before and their company has gone out of business. It's a risk we all take. I bought this game and I have enjoyed the heck out of. Yes they have some issues but so far they r working on it.It's a great but to say the least. But don't you dl games? Yes it's worth the 44.95 and yes I would like to have the box but I'm not to bother by it not to buy.When good games come out like this one support it it's not very often you get a game like this.

Smintar,

Just out of curiosity, what is your relationship with this project, if any? I noticed that all four of your posts over the last year have been to announce or recommend this game.

Regards,

- Erik

I am a gamer and nothing more. I started game way back when atri and my interest has always been there I help test games from impressions and when some of them went and started Tilted Mills. I have tested various on-line games aswell. Now since I am retired it gives more time to do what I like. I was part of Civil War generals Impressions game then it evolved into CWG2 it was my hope then that they would make CWG3 but never did. there were few game out there that really drew my attention and that TC2M and today the folks that do the modding keep that alive. When we heard that Norb was going to make a MP of the Civil War myself and lot of others were and are estactic about it.

A little more about myself I am a veteran VN era and I love History , I love the civi war era along with Napolean, WW1 fighter (Rise of Flight) is a good rendition of that. But my faorvite is SOW. I hope that I have answered your question, if not please ask again and thxs for asking me


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ORIGINAL: Smintar

I have bought box versions of games before and their company has gone out of business.

Me too, but it's irrelevant if I own a hard-copy and there's no "phone-home" DRM.

It's a risk we all take.

With utmost sincerity, this is something that I've steadfastly resisted. I've decided not to purchase at least three popular, military-themed games in the last six months because of the DRM schemes associated with each. Those decisions are meaningful because I USED TO BUY EVERY FREAKING SUCH GAME THAT WAS RELEASED. That said, I'm not interested in rentals.

I bought this game and I have enjoyed the heck out of. Yes they have some issues but so far they r working on it.It's a great but to say the least.

As I stated further up the thread, there are a lot of truly fine men associated with this project. No doubt, they spent many an hour pounding War3D into something worthwhile. They'll be very pleased to hear that you are enjoying the fruits of their labor.

But don't you dl games?

Not unless it's part of a package-deal that includes a CD/DVD.

Yes it's worth the 44.95 and yes I would like to have the box but I'm not to bother by it not to buy.

Again, the issue is one of ownership. I'm a gamer, but I'm also a collector of games. I realize that this may put me in a minority of sorts as regards "wargamers," but so be it. And as I mentioned, I purchased copies of the first two games from now-defunct MadMinute, one from CompUSA and the other "etail" from PI. Regrettably, that's not going to be an option in this case.

When good games come out like this one support it it's not very often you get a game like this.

Respectfully, that door swings both ways. If a developer and/or publisher wants my money, they are going to have come through with the goods. Otherwise, my money stays parked at Edward Jones (TM). Glad that you're enjoying the game, BTW. May it bring you many, many hours of fun and entertainment. And thanks for your comments. [:)]

I am finding these Game leading to DRM threads interesting. Here we have violence, wars, homelessness, government corruption, starvation that continue without let up but hey here comes some little game company trying to make a living and HERE, NOW I am going to put my foot down, speak up and stand for something - NO DRM! Kind of sad really....

ORIGINAL: Smintar

I am a gamer and nothing more.

Don't be too concerned, Smintar. People schill for games all the time around here, usually playtesters or someone else associated with the developer. LOL, someone recently PM'd me with questions about a game from HPS because they mistook me for just such a scoundrel. In point of fact, HPS doesn't know me from Adam (pregnant pun, but, nonetheless, unintended).[;)] Those comments made, you'll typically have more credibility with our readers if you make this clear on the front end.

ORIGINAL: Ron

I am finding these Game leading to DRM threads interesting. Here we have violence, wars, homelessness, government corruption, starvation that continue without let up but hey here comes some little game company trying to make a living and HERE, NOW I am going to put my foot down, speak up and stand for something - NO DRM! Kind of sad really....

Homelessness and starvation in Canada? [;)]

Thanks Smintar,

That does answer my question - good to meet you and carry on.

Regards,

- Erik

Darn.. saw this post updated and thought they changed the DRM!!!.. oh well [:(]

Man, and I thought this thread was going to be locked. [:D] Like others, I won't buy until the DRM is modified. I don't need it fully removed. BFC has a perfectly serviceable DRM scheme, and it's reliable. Get 2 installs, and removing one and activating again is all good. It should be increased to 5 or so, though . . .

ORIGINAL: Ron

I am finding these Game leading to DRM threads interesting. Here we have violence, wars, homelessness, government corruption, starvation that continue without let up but hey here comes some little game company trying to make a living and HERE, NOW I am going to put my foot down, speak up and stand for something - NO DRM! Kind of sad really....

Discussing games' issues on a games' BBS? Who'd-a-thunk it, eh?

ORIGINAL: Ron

I am finding these Game leading to DRM threads interesting. Here we have violence, wars, homelessness, government corruption, starvation that continue without let up but hey here comes some little game company trying to make a living and HERE, NOW I am going to put my foot down, speak up and stand for something - NO DRM! Kind of sad really....

People tend to notice loss of their rights when it affects them personally.

I've never witnessed a starving person.

I was part of Civil War generals Impressions game then it evolved into CWG2 it was my hope then that they would make CWG3 but never did.

Well this is interesting, I wondered where there boys were hiding after all this time.  The last time I had any contact with the devs was on the old Sierra site around the time it was bogged down in flame posts during the Lords of the Realm III release iirc.

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

I was part of Civil War generals Impressions game then it evolved into CWG2 it was my hope then that they would make CWG3 but never did.

Well this is interesting, I wondered where there boys were hiding after all this time.  The last time I had any contact with the devs was on the old Sierra site around the time it was bogged down in flame posts during the Lords of the Realm III release iirc.

Lords of the Realm III was Impressions Games last game. It wasn't due to the reaction to Lords III...the guys already knew they would have to go when the game was released. While i can understand the reactions to the game (which i do not share), the game is solid and bug-free. The planned CWG3 would have been completely different to CWG2...it was going to be real-time...

Back on topic: i would love to buy the game (Gettysburg) as it looks great and i am myself a veteran Civil War II: Generals player and love this period but i won't until Norb removes this DRM. I've been supporting small indies for some time (for example Magitech) but can't support this. I would also buy it despite Norb's past history since TCM2.

The planned CWG3 would have been completely different to CWG2...it was going to be real-time...

So I have heard.  I don't know why publishers try to change things that aren't even broke?  No one wanted CWG changed, no one wanted LOTR changed, so I think the flack was rightfully deserved.  Despite the quality may have been decent.  Change the name if you change the game.

Anyhow, I still find it hard to believe that Sierra published a real hex war-game, with enough simplicity to get newbs into it, and enough complexity that grognards enjoyed it.  Hard to find this kind of win-win system anymore.

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

That said, there's a growing list of games that I haven't purchased because I found the licensing scheme objectionable. I've spent many thousands of dollars on games over the years, and I have no intention of accepting punishment because of the misdeeds of others.

No rentals, please. [8D]

I'll give this a miss. No "more" rentals for me either [:)]

ORIGINAL: Joe Black

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

That said, there's a growing list of games that I haven't purchased because I found the licensing scheme objectionable. I've spent many thousands of dollars on games over the years, and I have no intention of accepting punishment because of the misdeeds of others.

No rentals, please. [8D]

I'll give this a miss. No "more" rentals for me either [:)]

I guess everyone to their own, but it baffles how people paying for product once consider it a rental. Yes maybe not the ideal way to purchase a game, but certainly not rental as to rent something one pay the service on a regular basis. The game hasn't got limited installs, and need to be connected to the internet to play.

If you read Norb's comments on this at his site he's steadfast in his decision and doesn't care about what he calls the 'few' who won't buy it because of the DRM. He says it's his decision which it is of course and forumers like Merchant and Slick egg it on. It would seem some ig's are for something until they get burned by it then are the first ones to rush and complain about it when it happens. The DRM fuse is burning it just hasn't exploded like it will eventually. Some are feeling it when their online download sites are down and they can't play their games because of it. I believe this happened recently to the Battlefront site when it was hacked. People who had bought into their elicense bs and wanted to download their games couldn't. Had this been brick n mortar and merely a CD key inside the box that wouldn't have happened.

And here I was thinking I would hear some actual good news, but no, apparently, there is merely relay of empty talk. As fascinating as developer pledges are, their rate of following through on them ranks down there with those of politicians.