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Posted: **Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:27 pm**

Many thanks for your concern over what other users might be entering into their databases.  All three weapons are already in the PlayersDB.  We have gone so far as to include a hypothetical(?) nuclear variant for those who believe they exist and are operationally employed.

Posted: **Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:51 pm**

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Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:56 pm**

Hey Bucks, Sorry for taking so long to respond. First I'd like to thank you for your very clear, accurate and informative reply describing the impracticalities of the Super Frelon finding any kind of home on a PRC ship with a small helo pad. Point well taken. I believe the Dauphin would suit better. I am beginning to embark on a very ambitious plan to write a very large campaign scenario for Harpoon. It is based clearly on a fictitious set of global realities from the early 90's through 2010/2011. These series of scenarios will not, I am sure, be the 'right cup ot tea' for our players who, shall we say, desire and expect their gaming to be firmly rooted in reality. I respect their passions for the game highly, and very much look forward to receiving their feedback and I am sure frustrations with regard to the licence I may take in accomplishing my mission. Some of that feedback I will heed, and retool my scenarios accordingly, (as demonstrated with the Super Frelon), but there will be a heavy dose of "what if's" in my campaign, and for those who enjoy a deviation of reality, this will suit perfectly. Otherwise, I would hope that all members would respect my attempts in the "spirit of the game." I have created my own Database for this campaign, which at some point I will post an historical overview, as well as an outline for the campaign. As far as actually getting the scenarios created and out there, well you all know what a labor of love and time that is. Thanks again for the feedback, and please stay posted as I get further down the road. All the best, Alan Caso

ORIGINAL: Bucks

ORIGINAL: aotino

Gentlemen,
Is it possible, when using the Harpoon 3 Scenario editor, to rebuild a Unit's magazine? For example, if one has a DDG Luhu Harbin-class PRC '94 destroyer in a scenario one was creating, could one add C.801 Ying Ji-1's to the ship's magazine to supply Z-8 Super Frelons that are on-board? I've noticed for a long time how in the EDIT pull-down menu, if you select UNITS, you are offered a REBUILD UNIT MAGAZINE option at the bottom. I've never figured out how to use that option, or whether it was ever usable. Any hints? Thanks guys for any feedback. Cheers, [8D] Alan Caso

Alan,

The Luhu's ship 2 x Z8 Haitun (French Dauphin). They carry the C-701T from 1998 and the C-701R from 2004. The DDG can't ship 2 x Zhi-8 [Changhe] (Super Frelon) as they are simply too large.

Zhi-8 Dimensions
Length: 18.9m
Fuselage Width: 3.3m

Zhi-9 Dimensions
Length: 11.9m
Fuselage Width: 2.0m

The Super Frelon is 7m/23 feet longer than the Dauphin and weighs approx 7 and a half tonnes more. I'm not even sure that the Chinese Frelon has folding rotor blades. My issue here is why would you build a hangar facility on the vessel wih so much extra space? I've personally inspected a few hangars on DDG sized vessels and you seriously can't swing a cat in there.

No offence meant but I think what you're attempting is unrealistic and Mr. Hum's willingness to modify the Database rather than stick to reality is slightly puzzling.

I wouldn't stress though, he'll simply copy my data when I release the next update to the HUD3, as he has over the last four years. The HUD3 uses the latest data provided by Larry Bond & Chris Carlson the creators of this gaming system and I'm more likely to trust them than Mr. Hum

Here's he latest data annex entry for the Luhu DDG (April 2009)

Type 052 Harbin [Luhu] DD

Displacement: 4800 std
In Class: 2
Size Class: C/Small
In Service: 1993
Electrn Cnt: 2nd Gen J&D
Acoust Cnt: None
Propulsion: CODOG/CPP
Crew: 300
Signature:Small/Noisy
Armor Rating: 0

Weapons: ROF
F(2)1 PJ-33A 100mm/56//1 Type 347G C
PB&SB(4)2 YJ-81 w/4 Sardine (6) D
F(8)1 HQ-7 (Crotale Modulaire) w/8 msls//
1 DRBC 32F Castor C (2) D/France
PW/SW/PA/SA(2)4 Type 76A 37mm/67//2 Rice Lamp C
F(12)2 Type 75 ASW RL w/5 salvoes E
PB/SB(3)2 ILAS 324mm TT w/3 A.244s F/Italy
Aft Pad(1)2 Zhi-9A Haitun or Ka-28 Helix A B

Sensors: ESM: 2nd Gen
Type 756, MX-902 [Eye Shield], Hai Ying J
Sea Tiger (DRBV 15) J/France
2 Decca 1290 ARPA J/UK
SJD-9 bow K
Sorel VDS K/France

Remarks:
Harbin, Qingdao. Third unit canceled. FQF 2500 is a license built
RBU 2500. Fitted with twin stabilizers and French-designed
Samahe Harpoon-type helicopter recovery system. Harbin carries
French Crotale while Qingdao uses local production HHQ-7 copy
of Crotale. Has 8 Crotale/HHQ-7 manual reloads.
• Late 1990s: Type 360 replaces Sea Tiger (DRBV 15)

Damage & Speed Breakdown:
Dam Pts: 0 39 78 117 140 156
Surf Speed: 31 23 16 8 0 Sinks

Regardless the choice is yours and welcome back to harpoon. I hope you're enjoying the upgrades that have been added.

Cheers

Darren Buckley

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