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RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:57 pm
by HexHead
It doesn't make that much of a difference if your CIC reports that 10^Boatloads of enemy aircraft are approaching the TF. Sorry, but I think you're asking your CVs to do too much at too great a risk. You need airfields so that you can bomb industries, etc., and cripple Japan's ability to war.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:23 pm
by chesmart
Sfbayf when I invaded japan I concentrated all my carriers in hex and put cap at 80% for the entire hex took me a few turns but ireduced the amount of fighters to a resonable amount for me to start airfield attacks after a whole month of making these kind of attacks i basically had air superiority over southern and central japan. Be prepared to take casualties from kamis .

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:36 pm
by sfbaytf
With Japan potentially getting a version of the ME262 in large numbers and he fact they don't seem to run out of pilots and fuel the equation becomes more complex.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:38 pm
by chesmart
By the time japan gets the Me-262 he would haave run out of supplies. Worry about the escorted Kamis thats my experience. 

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:48 pm
by sfbaytf
I've already had massive encounters with escorted kamis off Amami Oshima. In multiple engagements over the time span of a couple of weeks I gunned down over 1600 aircraft. I now count at least 900 fighters and as they say if they're one cockroach there are thousands more you don't see. My opponent is nowhere near out of supplies as far as I can tell. By the next month I expect production of the jets to begin. Not a lot of time.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:51 pm
by chesmart
from where is he getting the fuel ?

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:17 pm
by sfbaytf
I think he stashed a bunch on ships and parked them in the Sea of Japan. Not sure but I also think he ships some to Haiphong harbor unloads it and then rails it to a port in China or Korea to be shipped to the Home Islands. Quite some time ago my opponent said he was swimming in oil and his warehouses were overflowing with stockpiled goods.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:28 pm
by chesmart
If you stop his tankers he is toast. Are you using tracker if yes load a new scenario from the japanese side and you will see that if you stop hisfuel he has a max of six months before he starts having problems.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:38 pm
by sfbaytf
I've cut off the direct route to the HI. I suspect he had/has tens of dozens of freighters and tankers filled with fuel stashed in the Sea of Japan and elsewhere. That sneeky *%#! is probably nowhere near hurting.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:51 pm
by chesmart
Then you got a problem. Do not try to force your way in the sea of japan he will toast you. Land wise tried to make a landing in korea ?

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:08 pm
by sfbaytf
Yes Korea is a possibility and I have a few other ideas floating around in my head. Since I could care less about winning by book-what good are trophies anyway they just sit on a shelf and collect dust, I can try some different approaches and not worry about the clock so much. I'm already ahead of the historical timeline in most respects.

I was even contemplating this-eventhough I have no interest in using the ABomb as a strategic war ending weapon, there's nothing I can seer that wouldn't stop me from using it as an operational or tactical weapon. It could be useful as a "can opener" to punch a hole in the emperors defense from which a ground force could move through and exploit.

The Allieds will come up with a solution..

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:18 pm
by chesmart
The A-Bomb does not effect ground units it destroys manpower and industry, you will have to use another aproach.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:23 pm
by chesmart
I dropped 4 bombs 2 on tokyo 1 on osaka and 1 on hiroshima. If you want i can send you the screenshots of before and after. Ground units are not effected.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:55 pm
by freeboy
I think there may be too much fuel.. My pbem oponent seems?????????????????? to have lots of fuel in late 44 BUT this is unconfirmed, and I just overram Palambango and it had lots of fuel there...
interesting.. when did the Japs get jets? I am not sure how to win any other way than takling the armed forces march route..
Back on track, are your B29's eliminating enemy cities... in Witp I was able to firestorm several...

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:40 pm
by sfbaytf
Sure go ahead and post the screenshots. I trust your judgement and observation about he ABomb. Now that I know I'll seek out other solutions.
ORIGINAL: che200

I dropped 4 bombs 2 on tokyo 1 on osaka and 1 on hiroshima. If you want i can send you the screenshots of before and after. Ground units are not effected.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:48 pm
by sfbaytf
No question liberties have been taken with regards to history and he Allieds are fighting a Japan on steroids while they've been castrated, but that the hand he Allieds have been dealt and we'll just have to live with it.

I have conducted firebombing raids on Kyoto, Osaka, Nagoya and Tokyo and racked up 7000 points. I had to divert the B29s to other tasks like attacking airfields and a mining campaign. Simply not enough to go around and they spend a lot of time on he ground getting repaired.

Besides getting a lot of points what other effects does night firebombing bring? Dos it affect industry?

I have some decent airfields close to the Homeislands so the B-24s can now participate.

Also received the A-26 Invader. I'm wondering if I'll get Skyraiders and when do I get jets.

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:53 pm
by chesmart
Tokyo pre A-Bomb

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RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:54 pm
by chesmart
Tokyo after A-bomb

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RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:34 pm
by John Lansford
That's it?  The worst damaged facility was the repair shipyard; heavy and light industry lost only about 100 points, most others lost nothing at all.  That atomic bomb must have been a dud!

RE: Serious need to rethink how Carriers work

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:42 pm
by sfbaytf
Mabye that too is a new game balancing feature. Abombs that go pfffftttt instead of boom...