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I think that MFB is trying to tell that developers should ask potential testers to become betas. Not other way around, when people are asking to become betas

ORIGINAL: doomtrader

I think that MFB is trying to tell that developers should ask potential testers to become betas. Not other way around, when people are asking to become betas

I can verify another well-known wargame developer does exactly that and could probably argue it is for the better for all concerned, product, customer and developer.

I'm sorry - but the difference is lost on me. Karlis has asked that people apply to beta test a game. He has asked them to email him and say how they could be beneficial to the testing of the products. Why were those instructions so hard to follow? [&:]

A fair criticism is to say that perhaps Karlis could've been more forthcoming with info regarding the games. Why people couldn't email and ask, I don't know...but there you are.

What comes across as extremely arrogant, is to ask the publisher to contact them. To post that on an open thread on a public forum shows even more arrogance. Throw some salt on there by saying most beta testers apply to play the game for free or to receive a free copy, and you have arrogance at it's height.

Karlis posted asking for people to email him. That's the way it should've been done. End of.

I'm sure MFB doesn't give a crap about my feelings for him....I'm just putting that out there [:D]

Damn, thats where I was going wrong when I was last looking for a job, I clearly should have written:

Dear Sir/Madam

I'm looking for a job - I'm great; if you want to hire me and make use of my fantastic talents then write to me and tell me what you can offer me.

Rgds

because that's the way to impress future employers.......



I must admit, I thought the MFB e-mail was a spoof [X(]

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

kno wy wud wee wan tu kow howe tu reed ore rite? Testrz r betr wen we 4get howe tu du fulisz thingz lik that..reeding n riting iz 4 sukrz......

THIS IS CLASSIC.

That is all.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Damn, thats where I was going wrong when I was last looking for a job, I clearly should have written:

Dear Sir/Madam

I'm looking for a job - I'm great; if you want to hire me and make use of my fantastic talents then write to me and tell me what you can offer me.

Rgds

because that's the way to impress future employers.......



I must admit, I thought the MFB e-mail was a spoof [X(]

I'm sure MFB doesn't give a crap about my feelings for him....I'm just putting that out there

You obviously have never posted your credentials or resumes in newspapers or/and online employment sites. I guess you never knew employers actually READ these resumes and then contact the potential employee. I actually have worked for an employment firm that employees and employers do just that. It makes it easier for an employer to find what they are looking for when it's right there in their faces for them to read instead of having to read every single individual email from someone. The data system sorts the information appropriately for them in any order they choose as well from years experience to actual performance.

Here I save time and Rutins time by posting my credentials just like a newspaper ad. If he's interested HE can CONTACT me as my time is just as important as his. [:-]

@Judge awwww of course I value your thoughts of me ole boy. [:D] It's just that that value is like ummm on the bottom of the totem pole of life. teehee

Doomtrader of course with his intelligence as a developer saw my intentions right off the bat. No arrogance was intended, none implied just my credentials and where I could be reached. [:D]

Unfortunately for the coordinator of the alpha/beta testing the volunters can be bit of a crapshoot - some are experienced some are not, some have relevant exper, some don't, some have gamer rigs, some have consumer rigs, some have shit, some have time, some only think they have time.

That is (the coordinator) not a a job I would want, and I've had some similar in a different field (PA on real life construction projects).

Karlis does not regularly read the forums, although he does regularly check e-mail.

I should note that we also do ask proven testers to be part of testing projects, but we continue open recruiting as well to make sure we get a wide range of experiences and opinions.

Regards,

- Erik

Nah. I'm waiting for TOAW IV before I step into the world of beta testing.

Must admit the 2nd Punic War one looks good and perhaps exceptional, though. Are testers required to be fluent in Latin and Phoenician as well as English? [;)]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

Are testers required to be fluent in Latin and Phoenician as well as English? [;)]

I doubt it, but you may have to look good in a toga to get in. [:D]

As he refuses to provide any info on the game I have no interest in testing

Just about every soon-to-release product is USUALLY locked under some sort of NDA and devs/publishers don't like to leak out too much information.  It is something you'll have to get used to if you want to do future testing.

Hi everyone,

We have room for more testers on both projects, please don't be shy if you have any interest in these titles.

Regards,

- Erik

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

kno wy wud wee wan tu kow howe tu reed ore rite? Testrz r betr wen we 4get howe tu du fulisz thingz lik that..reeding n riting iz 4 sukrz......

Hey, I think you must be the guy who wrote the manual for the last game in the series.

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

kno wy wud wee wan tu kow howe tu reed ore rite? Testrz r betr wen we 4get howe tu du fulisz thingz lik that..reeding n riting iz 4 sukrz......

Hey, I think you must be the guy who wrote the manual for the last game in the series.

hu mi? I ritz guud. I hav guud edumikation.....

I'm a good toadie, I sent in my e mail already...[:)]

Thanks for the great response everyone, we now have enough testers.