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RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:57 pm
by MAARTENR
ORIGINAL: Rainer

You cannot select specific ships or Task Forces as targets for airplanes.
You can select a friendly target (ships, bases) to be defended by long range CAP.
This have i done and it works, thanx.
But pitty i cant attck the CV with mine bombers.
Thanx again.[:D]

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:01 pm
by Rainer
If the Task Force will be attacked is decided by the program.
This is based on a variety of factors:
- there must be enough supply at the base (meaning the airplanes have enough gasoline and ammunition)
- there must be a group assigned to Naval Attack
- the group must be able to reach the target
- the target had been identified so the group has a chance to find the target
- the group is skilled enough to navigate to the target
- the commander is aggressive enough and the group is skilled enough to attack that target
- if the commander is not extremely aggressive fighter protection will be required or the group will not fly
- the group is not too tired from missions before
- the weather must be OK (they can't attack targets they don't see)
and a lot (really: a LOT) of other factors, like enough planes in the group and enough pilots in the group.
And even if the group attacks the target it still does not mean they will damage the target.

In other words:
make sure your bombers, pilots and commanders are well trained, are in good shape, the base is well supplied, there is some sort of Naval Search to discover the enemy.
THEN and ONLY THEN your air groups will attack the target.
The good news: they will attack ANY target in range if the above requirements are met. You do NOT have to set a target, and you can't.



RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:23 pm
by Alfred
Everything which Rainer has listed in post #22 is correct. However the specific answer in this instance, which makes Rainer's post irrelevant for this particular situation, is found in post #11. The OP is simply trying to fly an offensive mission out of an airfield which is below level 2. He needs a level2 airfield, which Lihue is not unless he has built it up, a task I rather suspect he has not undertaken.

Alfred

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:58 pm
by Rainer
Whatever the size of the airfield: it is not possible to assign a specific target to a NAVAL mission. And that IS relevant.

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:46 pm
by MAARTENR
Why cant attack even from Pearl Harbour, what's the problem?
See the picture

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:10 pm
by Czert3
No enemy TF in range ? [;)] . But to be serious - here comes lot of things for consideration - 1. morale of sqadron - if it is low, then bombers will not fly (or turn back if they find enemy CAP without attacking) 2. leader skills - if they are low, it will decreasing chance that wing will carry naval attack 3. weather - if it is bad, it can cancel starting of mission, or if is target covered by clouds, here is chance that airstike will not find target 4. group exp - if it low, its decreasing chance of finding target/flyimng due to bad weather.

Adnm one hitv - if you want to carry naval attack, try to have as much avaivable planes for it as you can, not only because more planeds in attack increase posible damage :).
So, I allways set train to 10 and rest (if fatigued) or search to 10 (to incease chance of finding enemy TF).

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:14 pm
by MAARTENR
They are in range, but i shoulnt make troubles of it. hahaah

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:43 pm
by USSAmerica
ORIGINAL: MAARTENR

Why cant attack even from Pearl Harbour, what's the problem?
See the picture

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This particular dive bomber group is set to Naval Search mission and not Naval Attack mission, so they will not attack. There may be additional reasons, of course, like needing escort, but without being set to Naval Attack mission they will not attack an enemy TF. Also, any percentage you have set to Train or Search under the Patrol levels section will not participate in an attack.

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:57 pm
by MAARTENR
USSA AMERICA when i had this group in naval attack they wouldnt attack also.

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:42 pm
by MAARTENR
I click on naval attack primarly and secondary rest. They just wont select target. You see it here for Lihue but for Pearl Harbour is the same.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:47 pm
by MAARTENR
Here's one of Pearl Harbour. I think they cant risk the loose of the submarine, so they wont attack.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:56 pm
by MAARTENR
I shouldnt choose as secondary target rest becausse it never works. Now i've choosen something else and now it works.
It still has it about long range cap so it's the SUBMARINES I THINK not attacking becausse of loosing them.

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:01 pm
by Rainer
Air planes on Naval Attack will not attack Submarines.
To find and attack Submarines you set ASW (Anti Submarine Warfare) under the label "Patrol levels".

EDIT: Oh, now I understand. You think your airplanes don't attack because they fear to hit friendly submarines? Definitely not ...

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:04 pm
by MAARTENR
Does the original game without a mod works fine?
Becausse i've got the mod "Da babes"[:(]

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:20 pm
by MAARTENR
ORIGINAL: Rainer

Air planes on Naval Attack will not attack Submarines.
To find and attack Submarines you set ASW (Anti Submarine Warfare) under the label "Patrol levels".

EDIT: Oh, now I understand. You think your airplanes don't attack because they fear to hit friendly submarines? Definitely not ...
Yes that's what i mean Rainer i think it's da Babes mod, i've asked mine opponment how it works. If nothing works i want the original one.
Great you understand me.[:D]

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:29 pm
by Iron Duke
ORIGINAL: MAARTENR

I click on naval attack primarly and secondary rest. They just wont select target. You see it here for Lihue but for Pearl Harbour is the same.

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Lihue is a size 1 airfield.

manual --- chapter 7.2.1.13.1 --- page 167

following missions can not be flown from airfields with a current size of 1

*airfield attack
*port attack
*naval attack
*ground attack
*sweep

Also low on supply
Also no aviation support - can only see an infantry battalion

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:32 pm
by MAARTENR
See #post 31, its pearl harbour

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:36 pm
by USSAmerica
MAARTENR, can you please show us a screen shot of what Pearl Harbor looks like?  Aircraft there, and what their missions are, base supply level, other ground units there, live AV support and HQ units?  I am not sure, but did you mention that the enemy TF includes a CV?  There are many factors that impact whether or not planes will find, select for attack, and actually fly to attack an enemy TF.  We've established that none of the planes on Lihue will attack, since the AF size is smaller than 2.  Let's see what is at Pearl. [:)]

Edit: The presence of your subs in the hex is NOT a factor preventing an air attack. In fact, it likely increases the chance by increasing the detection level of the enemy TF.

RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:38 pm
by MAARTENR
here's pearl harbour and great how you all help.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf?

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:44 pm
by CapAndGown
ORIGINAL: MAARTENR

here's pearl harbour and great how you all help.

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The Vindicators are not going to attack because they are busy either training or doing naval search -> patrol = 100
I don't know why the Dauntlesses won't attack. Maybe they want an escort. Or maybe there are not enough of them -> only 3 are available for attack, the rest are either training or flying naval search.