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ORIGINAL: MateDow

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
...For instance, I've created a CVL conversion of the Omaha class cruisers which, though never implemented, was in fact once thought over by the US Navy. Why not create a "bind" in the editor whereby the player could convert Omaha class CLs to CVLs IN GAME? Is that any more objectionable than creating binds for the Japanese to turn Fuso into a flight deck battleship and what not? It gives the player a little more flexibility over his building program and if players can already buildout ships which were historically never refitted during the war, then why not give the player more room to convert different ships into different types of refits?

Just a thought. I'm curious what the strictly history buffs think of the idea? [:)]

I have no problem with conversions like the Omaha-class CVL or CLAA when they are backed up by real data. For the US ships, I think that this data is contained in books like Friedman's US Cruisers, and is based on real design studies made by the US Navy. These will probably be very expensive conversions similar in cost to those performed on the West Virginia, California or Tennessee. There was a reason that these conversions were not carried out in wartime, and the cost should reflect that.

For the British ships, where there were other C-class and D-class (?) cruisers converted to a CLAA standard, that should also be an option, just not an inexpensive one. I am not sure if the British shipyards would have enough spare capacity to make such a conversion, or if the Americans would have diverted the effort away from their own conversions. These were cruisers that were older than the Omahas that the US did not take the effort to convert even when they were already in the shipyard for extensive repairs.

ORIGINAL: MateDow

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
...For instance, I've created a CVL conversion of the Omaha class cruisers which, though never implemented, was in fact once thought over by the US Navy. Why not create a "bind" in the editor whereby the player could convert Omaha class CLs to CVLs IN GAME? Is that any more objectionable than creating binds for the Japanese to turn Fuso into a flight deck battleship and what not? It gives the player a little more flexibility over his building program and if players can already buildout ships which were historically never refitted during the war, then why not give the player more room to convert different ships into different types of refits?

Just a thought. I'm curious what the strictly history buffs think of the idea? [:)]

I Believe BuShips nixed any CVL conversion of the Omaha's because the hulls were too narrow and the displacement too small to be practical.

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
...For instance, I've created a CVL conversion of the Omaha class cruisers which, though never implemented, was in fact once thought over by the US Navy. Why not create a "bind" in the editor whereby the player could convert Omaha class CLs to CVLs IN GAME? Is that any more objectionable than creating binds for the Japanese to turn Fuso into a flight deck battleship and what not? It gives the player a little more flexibility over his building program and if players can already buildout ships which were historically never refitted during the war, then why not give the player more room to convert different ships into different types of refits?

Just a thought. I'm curious what the strictly history buffs think of the idea? [:)]

I Believe BuShips nixed any CVL conversion of the Omaha's because the hulls were too narrow and the displacement too small to be practical.

ORIGINAL: oldman45

Gary they had enough yard space to convert the clevelands to independance class, so putting in 1 or 2 of the omaha should not be that big a deal. An alternative would be to allow more of the clevelands to be converted.

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

Gary I have to agree with you on your frist statement. I like that the devs gave us a chance to play a game like this. I would like a little more wiggle room with somethings. I haven't made it that far into the games vs AI but am playing GC in stock and Alt Scn. If you look at it the IJN player gets to mess around with production in several areas. So why can't the Allies.

doc

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

Gary I have to agree with you on your frist statement. I like that the devs gave us a chance to play a game like this. I would like a little more wiggle room with somethings. I haven't made it that far into the games vs AI but am playing GC in stock and Alt Scn. If you look at it the IJN player gets to mess around with production in several areas. So why can't the Allies.

doc

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

I use to think I knew a lot about WW2 until I came here that is. I quite enjoy the history lessons, now I'm more annoying to my friends. Getting to the point now could someone share there what if references with me so I can see for myself. Thanks

doc

ORIGINAL: Pascal

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

I use to think I knew a lot about WW2 until I came here that is. I quite enjoy the history lessons, now I'm more annoying to my friends. Getting to the point now could someone share there what if references with me so I can see for myself. Thanks

doc

Best general histories are:

Ronald Spector "Eagle against the Sun"

John Costello "The Pacific War"

More specific:

John Lundstrom "Black-shoe Carrier Admiral"

Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully "Shattered Sword"

Dallas Isom "Midway Inquest"

H.P. Wilmott "Empires in the Balance" and "The Barrier and the Javelin"

Eric Bergerud "Fire in the Sky"

For the Japanese decision-making process, an excellent summary of the work of Robert Morley was done in the chapter on the decision for war by Ian Kershaw in "Fateful Choices"

ORIGINAL: topeverest

Gary,

I agree with you, and I have done similar tinkering, mostly with the Empire. I have focused on them as the weaker side to provide more options for conversions, especially cruiser options. I view the allies in little need of more toys, especially in the last 18 months of the war. Something that could affect the allies in the first part of the war and not be overly powerful I certainly would add.