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RE: New House Rule Idea for PBEM
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:21 pm
by Redmarkus5
Maybe we need a thread for compiling suggested PBEM House Rules? Some idiot tried to start one a while back, but...
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RE: New House Rule Idea for PBEM
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:25 pm
by ComradeP
Honestly I am not seeing the Axis fighter losses against recon missions - I just checked the last AI move - it did well over 100 recon missions and not one Axis fighter was lost - and not one Soviet recon plane was lost, either.
It varies due to fatique and damage. If the same unit tries to intercept a large amount of recon units, there's a good chance for some losses, especially if the unit was fatiqued at the end of the turn or bombed.
I'm not seeing 1 loss for every 2 intercepts yet, but it's a situation that I have seen playing as the Soviets. It's possible some of the latest changes resulted in fewer losses, but I'm still losing fighters to pointless intercepts.
RE: New House Rule Idea for PBEM
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:42 pm
by Zemke
ORIGINAL: Ametysth
Besides, it wasn't old designs that hampered Russian aviation, it was poor tactical doctrine in Air-to-Air combat. They were just as bad in dogfights flying Hurricanes, Spitfires, P-40's and P-39's as they were with I-153's and -16's.
You are spot on Ametysth.
The Soviets had great planes by the middle of the war, the La-5/7 and Yak-3 were great aircraft, but pilot training/quality combined with horrible centralized control doctrine gave the Germans a huge advantage, (Granted there were some exceptional Soviet pilots).
I truly believe this is the one area the Germans always had an advantage until the very end of the war. The problem is the Eastern Front was huge, combined with a huge growth in the Soviet Air Force, the Luftwaffe had no hope of providing protection/support anywhere near what they could in the West. Most German ground units hardly ever saw the Luftwaffe and only the most important ground operations were supported...in general.
I am sure this is a mistake, but I never even mess with air, except to ensure the bases are in range to support my ground units.
RE: New House Rule Idea for PBEM
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:40 pm
by CarnageINC
ORIGINAL: Zemke_4
ORIGINAL: Ametysth
Besides, it wasn't old designs that hampered Russian aviation, it was poor tactical doctrine in Air-to-Air combat. They were just as bad in dogfights flying Hurricanes, Spitfires, P-40's and P-39's as they were with I-153's and -16's.
You are spot on Ametysth.
The Soviets had great planes by the middle of the war, the La-5/7 and Yak-3 were great aircraft, but pilot training/quality combined with horrible centralized control doctrine gave the Germans a huge advantage, (Granted there were some exceptional Soviet pilots).
I truly believe this is the one area the Germans always had an advantage until the very end of the war. The problem is the Eastern Front was huge, combined with a huge growth in the Soviet Air Force, the Luftwaffe had no hope of providing protection/support anywhere near what they could in the West. Most German ground units hardly ever saw the Luftwaffe and only the most important ground operations were supported...in general.
I am sure this is a mistake, but I never even mess with air, except to ensure the bases are in range to support my ground units.
Exactly! The one advantage the Germans had is so off in the game that I feel until its properly addressed that it should be shelfed until it is properly fix. Not to knock the developers but I really don't expect a super improvement any time soon.
This idea will turn off a few players, I can live with that but it will help focus solely on the ground war which is the main focus for the game anyways. Yes there are arguments about the Shturmovik's but the Luftwaffe looses the Stuka's which were a great tank killer (which doesn't do diddly now) until the Soviets gained air superiority late in the war through shear numbers.