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RE: ARGH! aka help please :)

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:29 pm
by joliverlay
Keep in mind that this game starts at the same time as Black Thursday (or Tuesday?) when the 8th got a bloody nose going after ball bearings. They pretty much stopped deep raids for a long time until they could get fighter escort...so don't feel bad.

I've looked at the raid schedule for the 8th for the months after the game starts and they were spending a lot of time bombing very close to the channel shortly after the game starts. Lots of raids on airfields in Holland or on the Ruhr.

Somewhere on the web you can find the daily bombing targets for the mighty eighth....check it out for comparison if you can find it.

This game and WITP/AE are of great personal interest to me. My dad was in Jimmy Stewart's squadron in the 8th and a survivor of the Pearl Harbor raids. Reminds me of the stories he told.


RE: ARGH! aka help please :)

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:35 pm
by kaybayray
Hey Jol <S> [8D]

Here are some places to get some in depth info.

http://www.taphilo.com/history/8thaf/index.shtml
http://www.8thafhs.org/

These are the History of the 8th USAAF. Access to every Squadron, Group, web page currently up. Plus a lot more. I would highly recommend investigating them.






http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/apty/aptytoc.htm

This one is Airpower Doctrine. Pretty much everything ever documented, written or hypothesized by Man about Aviation. I highly recommend spending a few months in here.





http://www.rafbombercommand.com/master_welcome.html

This one is RAF Bomber Command. A bit small IMO but still interesting.





There used to be one for the US Strategic Bombing Survey covering the actual effects of different aspects of both Strategic and Area Bombing in Europe. Fortunately I copied it all before the link went belly up. Not sure where to find it now.


Just a word of warning. Be very careful about sources other than these as they are mostly populated with persons that have no clue of that which they are writing about. These are the Expert Morons I spoke of earlier in this post. Apparently the "Revisionists" have been very active over the past 20-30 years and a lot of the reality of what was done, why and what it resulted in have be greatly distorted by a few and spread widly by many others.

I would also recommend going to your nearby Used Book Store as many fantastic books written from the 'Source", IE: People that actually participated in it and not regurgitation from others are showing up. Even then be careful because they're a lot of Authors with an Agenda to shove down your throat now. In times past the idea was to put the information in front of you and let you decide what it meant. Now they know everything and attempt to convince you of it.

Regards,
KayBay


RE: ARGH! aka help please :)

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:31 pm
by joliverlay
Great Post....Thanks.

RE: ARGH! aka help please :)

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:09 am
by JeffroK
Just a word of warning. Be very careful about sources other than these as they are mostly populated with persons that have no clue of that which they are writing about. These are the Expert Morons I spoke of earlier in this post. Apparently the "Revisionists" have been very active over the past 20-30 years and a lot of the reality of what was done, why and what it resulted in have be greatly distorted by a few and spread widly by many others.

So you are the expert,

IMHO, be very careful in trusting too many of the sites mentioned and be very, very careful with any oral history site. If you want to research, make sure you get 2-3 confiring facts, nt just the 50 year old memories of someone who thinks they know what happened.

Airpower Doctrine - mostly a bibliography, great for putting together a buying list, some links to hyperway etc.

8th AF & BC sites are OK, try Hyperwar for US Histories but remember to check their facts.

RE: ARGH! aka help please :)

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:56 am
by kaybayray
Hey Jeff.

Never said "I" was an expert bud. So dont be putting words in my mouth..ok.

In my post I say in many ways and several times to be careful about what is on the net. The sources I posted were the 8th USAAF web pages and the USAF History web sites. Not saying that everything else is a lie bud. For a quick reality test... Google this:

Strategic Bombing WWII

OR This:

WWII Daylight Precision Bombing


And see how much full on crap, lies, half truths and bleeding heart condemnations you get and how many that are even close to the actual history of what actually took place. This is the differentiation that I am trying to address in my post.

And for the Record... the OP (Original Poster) was seeking both Game Play advice and then some Reading to augment his immersion in this game with some history of what this game was about. I agree with your thoughts and advice about not accepting everything your find on the net as "Fact'. I also take great offense at your comments directed at me personnaly. I think you might take a look at the many posts I have made on this forum and you will see that I do not consider myself by any stretch of the immagination an "Expert" on anything.

Regards,
KayBay

RE: ARGH! aka help please :)

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:11 am
by WaveRuler
I agree, there is a lot of crap there but if you REALLY want to see 'Bleeding Heart Condemnations' do a Google search for:

'RAF Bomber Command 1939-1945'[:)]