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ORIGINAL: sandman2575

ORIGINAL: Vic

DC2 is really starting to come together now. I have just posted a 2nd Kharkov scenario test game turn using the PBEM++ (new in DC2) system playing a tester. Personally i love how the eastern front plays with the DC engine.

Core work remaining is fine-tuning, fine-tuning, balancing, some graphics implementations and an attempt to add an extra AI.

Best gaming news I've heard in a while. Excellent! I am not usually in the "Day One Purchase" category for games, but this will definitely be Day One for me.

(Re: "graphics implementations", I hope DC2 won't alter the look of the original too much... I absolutely love the look and style of DC as is... with the addition of Kiddytoto's deeper-colored map...)

Its just that DC2 (like Dc1) has 1000s and 1000s of graphical parts. its a lot of work but i strongly believe all the little graphics really help immersion and historical feeling.

best,
Vic

ORIGINAL: wodin

HURRAH!

This could be the release that gets me into the series. The only my thing that really has stopped me and it's very anal is actual individual soldiers aren't counted like they are say in Panzer Campaign series. If this was every put into the game I'd have bought the first in a heart beat. Again I satte it's a very anal reason but I always take it into account, it's purely for immersion purposes though.

Ha ha.. no seriously i understand. But the answer is no. no individual soldiers. However with the un-offical editor going into the release a serious modder (since the editor is powerfull but therefore not easy) might make a lower scale scenario and going to individual tank and squad level.

best,
Vic

@all,

ohhh.. almost forgot to say:

thanks everybody for the support and the kind words about DC. It really helps to know there are players out there who appreciate the game.

best,
vic

ORIGINAL: Vic

@all,

ohhh.. almost forgot to say:

thanks everybody for the support and the kind words about DC. It really helps to know there are players out there who appreciate the game.

best,
vic

As loyal as I am to Matrix I sometimes forget to chime in about how much I am still enjoying the games I keep playing.

Urrahh! Very good news indeed to hear that things are moving along! Sounds like DC2 will be a much bigger game, and the new features, especially reinforcements, will really make the DC game engine shine.

Vic, can you give us more hints as to what main campaign will be? I have more interest in the "Ost Front" so I'm especially excited about the next game. Also, are there any plans to "bridge" the two games(DC1&2) together with one continuous campaign?

Vic, a little question, you plan change the casualties system??? reduce at least to a range of 10 the casualties results??? now with 100 many times i feel that bad attacks (or defenses) punish a lot looser because cant inflict any casualty in number terms, i dont ask for a 1 casualty level for infantry but maybe 10...

Cant wait to know more about DC2, curious to see the soviet infantry portraits [:'(]

I think DC is the best operational level game engine on the market. What John Tiller (excellent well researched games, dated graphics) should have developed by now. DC has excellent maps, good unit graphics (to cartoonish but can be changed), intuitive interface (some rough spots) and it just plays well. The DC series will be my favorite games for years.

If DC2 covers Operation Barbarossa or a portion of it I would recommend reading Kiev 1941 by David Stahel. It describes the importance of force, time, space and logistics when planning operations on the eastern front. "A thoroughly enjoyable read, it injects a healthy dose of realism into the history of this dramatic battle. Dismantling myths left and right, the book sets right one of the most significant stages of Operation Barbarossa." -David Glantz

+1
Still playing this awesome game in PBEM, testing the variants of case white. What a pleasure [:)]

ORIGINAL: PzKw43

I think DC is the best operational level game engine on the market. What John Tiller (excellent well researched games, dated graphics) should have developed by now. DC has excellent maps, good unit graphics (to cartoonish but can be changed), intuitive interface (some rough spots) and it just plays well. The DC series will be my favorite games for years.

If DC2 covers Operation Barbarossa or a portion of it I would recommend reading Kiev 1941 by David Stahel. It describes the importance of force, time, space and logistics when planning operations on the eastern front. "A thoroughly enjoyable read, it injects a healthy dose of realism into the history of this dramatic battle. Dismantling myths left and right, the book sets right one of the most significant stages of Operation Barbarossa." -David Glantz

Couldn't agree with you more on how excellent DC is. (I actually really like the stylized unit graphics though!)

I do hope DC2 will move us into Barbarossa territory. I think it would make a terrific complement to GG's War in the East. I do find WitE enjoyable but something about it just doesn't 'click' for me with it. Once I really got into Decisive Campaigns, I couldn't stop playing it, whereas I keep see-sawing back and forth between being absorbed by WitE and then feeling little urgency to play it. There's just something that feels kind of sterile about it -- the presentation & overall look is a little too bland, uninspired, and 'non-immersive.' When I go back to DC, I really feel the difference of how the sharp, clean, elegant presentation pulls you in, and the gameplay just keeps you hooked. So I'd love to see what DC2 could do with the Eastern Front.

Glad to read your recommendation of Stahel's new book -- I was excited to get it for my kindle a few weeks ago, but it does not seem to be available in e-book form yet. I picked up Antony Beevor's superb "Stalingrad" instead, and would enthusiastically recommend it to anyone looking for a primer on the German-Soviet war -- even though it's main subject is 'just Stalingrad,' Beevor does an excellent job providing in-depth context and a 'big picture' view of Barbarossa, Case Blue and the events preceding. (Much superior, I think, to Alan Clarke's book, which I found rather too breezy and often felt like it was skimming the surface rather than really getting to anything in much depth.) Anyway, "KIEV 1941" is next on my reading list.

I agree about WitE, something seems to be missing. Grisby formats numbers as text, left aligned and no commas which annoys me. DC rocks!

Stahel's previous book Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East is also excellent. Kiev 1941 picks up where the previous book stops (capture of Smolensk). He is one of the co-authors of Nazi Policy on the Eastern Front, 1941: Total War, Genocide, and Radicalization coming out next month. I think Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler's Defeat in the East, 1942-1943 is the most interesting book on Stalingrad.

ORIGINAL: PzKw43

I agree about WitE, something seems to be missing. Grisby formats numbers as text, left aligned and no commas which annoys me. DC rocks!

Stahel's previous book Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East is also excellent. Kiev 1941 picks up where the previous book stops (capture of Smolensk). He is one of the co-authors of Nazi Policy on the Eastern Front, 1941: Total War, Genocide, and Radicalization coming out next month. I think Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler's Defeat in the East, 1942-1943 is the most interesting book on Stalingrad.

I'm right there with the both of you. I've been bouncing back and forth between both games, but DC is my favorite by far. I feel it deserves more attention from wargamers. I'm surprised that there isn't more "traffic" in this forum. Regarding WitE, I dislike how certain game elements take away choices/freedom. One big example is the first winter rule... I'm really looking forward to the Eastern Front with the DC game engine.

By the way, I'm currently reading Glantz's book "Barbarossa Derailed" which focuses on the battles for Smolensk 41'. In a nutshell he makes a point that Smolensk was not a little "bump" in the road that many historians view it as, but a massive battle that delayed and bled AGC, changing the course of the war. I believe the book goes for around $100, but I went with the Kindle version for $15. It's a good read, but I don't think it's worth 100 bucks.

I hope Vic focuses DC2 on Barbarossa/ early EF. The Eastern Front is too big to cover in just one game. I'd like have DC2 cover the early East Front, then maybe go to a different theatre with DC3, but come back to the EF in a future version. I'm interested in all aspects of WW2, but the East Front takes the cake for me!

For me nothing is missing in Wite, love the scale and the eastern front is the most interesting and enjoyable to play.
So if its another game in that theater of that scale im thrilled, one doesnt rule out another

I hope its not just scenarios though, but a campaign as the name suggests.

ORIGINAL: Phenix

For me nothing is missing in Wite, love the scale and the eastern front is the most interesting and enjoyable to play.
So if its another game in that theater of that scale im thrilled, one doesnt rule out another

I hope its not just scenarios though, but a campaign as the name suggests.

I agree with you Phenix, WITE is great and nothing is missing. I love Decisive Campaigns for different reasons. DC should get a lot more attention. BPB

After another month more with no info about east DC... is all fine??? i expect see at least a few screenshoots and have more info about game... we are waiting since the begin of the year...

Thanks.

reliable sources at Foxconn sent me a notice that the new DC title is in production and will hit shelves next summer. it will focus on the mediterrean and balkan theater.

Foxconn

are you trying to be funny? Vic himself has stated numerous times that the next title will be about the Eastern Front...

Vic, please give us a shout-out and let us know you are still here and what you are working on!

He try to be fun but fail as HMS Hood VS a BB [8|]

Well, i expect at this point have the game... but dont have even info about what or how is... maybe this is why i hate wargames because the info level usually prerelease is very poor with very few exceptions, is great enter one day in the forum or web of the game you follow and see that is released but this for me doesnt cover the usually lack of info pre-release.

PD: but at least here we know more than in other publisers... i have one in my mind but i cant say it or Tiller could be mad [:D], this is a good use of ironic mode [;)]

ORIGINAL: Hexagon

He try to be fun but fail as HMS Hood VS a BB [8|]

Well, i expect at this point have the game... but dont have even info about what or how is... maybe this is why i hate wargames because the info level usually prerelease is very poor with very few exceptions, is great enter one day in the forum or web of the game you follow and see that is released but this for me doesnt cover the usually lack of info pre-release.

PD: but at least here we know more than in other publisers... i have one in my mind but i cant say it or Tiller could be mad [:D], this is a good use of ironic mode [;)]

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that it's going to be a long time before we hear anything about this game. You never know though, maybe Vic will surprise us all and announce a release date... If I remember correctly, Warsaw to Paris came out of nowhere and was released without much marketing.

It would be nice though just to see a screen shot or two of what DC is going to look like on the Ost Front. I'm sure the unit art is going to look sweet, and I can't wait to see some T-34s rolling acrossed the vast Russian steppe!

Vic, we are not asking for much. One screen shot, ok?

yes one screenshot!

OOOOOOk!.... [8|]

How about just a "proof of life" shoutout? [:D]