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What I would like is that you simply leave me alone so I can enjoy a PBEM without worrying about you breaching FOW again and again

+1 from an avid reader of Nemo's AARs , utterly ruins the experience for a lot more people than just the players. Let it drop FatR please !

anyhoo , best of luck Nemo (not that you usually need it mind you )[;)]

ORIGINAL: FatR


That's why you did everything you could, short of emaling me, to ensure with 100% certainty, that I'll take a look at this thread if only to avoid being character assasinated, instead, of, I don't know, complaining to mods about cyberstalking?

FatR, the only thing I know about this situation is what I've read in this thread. I see lots of "justifications" from you for doing what you did in PM's, but I don't see any actual facts that prove your accusation of Nemo cheating.

There is no character assasination going on here. You are ruining your reputation by your own words and actions. You are in a deep hole and you should quit digging.

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: FatR

That's why you did everything you could, short of emaling me, to ensure with 100% certainty, that I'll take a look at this thread if only to avoid being character assasinated, instead, of, I don't know, complaining to mods about cyberstalking?

FatR, the only thing I know about this situation is what I've read in this thread. I see lots of "justifications" from you for doing what you did in PM's, but I don't see any actual facts that prove your accusation of Nemo cheating.

There is no character assasination going on here. You are ruining your reputation by your own words and actions. You are in a deep hole and you should quit digging.

Agree. Assertions are not proved by being bombastic or being repeated. The fact that Nemo's opponent did not believe them should have been enough to close the matter. Disclosing Nemo's plans as so-called proof was way out of line and no proof at all. Sometimes players accurately assess their opponents' plans, and some players do so more often and accurately than others. Permission is not required.

ORIGINAL: USS America
FatR, the only thing I know about this situation is what I've read in this thread. I see lots of "justifications" from you for doing what you did in PM's, but I don't see any actual facts that prove your accusation of Nemo cheating.

Well, there are undisputable facts that:
a)Nemo, by his own words (you can check the screensnot above, in fact), had unknown someone reporting him stuff going on in PH's Armageddon AAR. That unknown someone wasn't one of the posters who commented in Nemo's own AAR, although it would have been fairly appropriate for him to voice during the lenghty discussion of the supposed information leaks. According to Nemo's words, as per point 6 of post #15 in this tread, that unknown someone also somehow failed to inform Nemo that even the general advice he considered a leak is only limited to strategic bombing and other basic asset utilization, and there are zero posts related to possible Japanese defensive scheme in PH's AAR.

ORIGINAL: Nemo121
I guessed Hokkaido and the Kuriles cause it made sense. I changed my plans because I was told a leak had occured regarding my industry and what should be targeted. I then saw a HUGE change in Allied bombing strategy which specifically targeted what I had spoken of as being vital in my AAR. In that situation it makes sense to think that if one thing was leaked then everything might have been leaked. I didn't ask if it had been, I simply decided that I had to act as if it had been. I then posted this to my AAR.

And Nemo, despite devoting a lot of time to discussing this "information leak", somehow failed to ask.

b)Nemo perfectly knew PH's plans every time and far before there were any signs of them being put in motion, if not immediately. In fact, again according to Nemo's words above, he DID change his defense plans from Hokkaido to Korea literally within hours of PH changing his attack goal from Hokkaido to Korea.

I dearly hope that people who can trust anoher player after something like that won't ever play any games with money at stake.

By the way, I wonder if that unknown someone who reported on PH's AAR for Nemo can raise his hand now.

FatR,

I didn't fail to ask. I CHOSE not to ask so as to avoid putting him in a position where he'd have to leak information/plans from PH's AAR. He informed me FOW had been breached and that was valid since it was alerting me to possible manipulation of the AAR by you. That was all I needed to know. Asking HOW it had been breached and which precise plans had been leaked would have been putting that person in the position of breaching PH's FOW and planning. So I didn't ask so as not to put that person into that position.

This really is turning into a conspiracy theory... If I'd asked him which plans exactly were leaked I'd have been accused of getting him to do what you did. Since I didn't ask him I'm somehow accused of lying about it or doing something somehow suspicious. And now not only is my current opponent a figment of my imagination but this other person is also. Sometimes you've just got to laugh [:D]. Do you, perchance, think I was in New York about nine and a half years ago or in Dallas in 1963, or helping film something on a soundstage in 1969?

My current opponent is free to come forward if he wants, this person is free to come forward if they want. Understandably enough they have told me they don't fancy making a target of themselves to the likes of you. I'm sure you'll present this as proof they don't exist. I would offer the alternative viewpoint that they simply don't want you to incorporate them into your paranoid delusions and have you launch vitriolic attacks against them.

Now, again, I am asking you to please leave this thread. I have no desire to have this AAR become a showcase of how paranoia can blight wargaming and social interactions. If you want to post this sort of stuff please start a new thread and do so rather than polluting an AAR. I have a long history of supporting freedom of speech even if the person speaking and the thoughts expressed are dislikeable in the extreme. While I find your views odious in the extreme and irrational I support your right to hold them and express them, even though they hurt me deeply. However I think you should express them elsewhere and not in my AAR.

Continual posting here by you after being asked to leave is in clear breach of established moderation of AARs and if it continues I'll have to ask the moderators to intervene. I, personally, have no problem if you choose to start a new thread about how much of a cheat I am but I would ask you to abide by my wishes and to stop cyber-stalking me and polluting this thread.

Now, please, leave.

ORIGINAL: FatR

ORIGINAL: USS America
FatR, the only thing I know about this situation is what I've read in this thread. I see lots of "justifications" from you for doing what you did in PM's, but I don't see any actual facts that prove your accusation of Nemo cheating.

Well, there are undisputable facts that:
a)Nemo, by his own words (you can check the screensnot above, in fact), had unknown someone reporting him stuff going on in PH's Armageddon AAR. That unknown someone wasn't one of the posters who commented in Nemo's own AAR, although it would have been fairly appropriate for him to voice during the lenghty discussion of the supposed information leaks. According to Nemo's words, as per point 6 of post #15 in this tread, that unknown someone also somehow failed to inform Nemo that even the general advice he considered a leak is only limited to strategic bombing and other basic asset utilization, and there are zero posts related to possible Japanese defensive scheme in PH's AAR.

You left out the most important part of what I was talking about. I can list indisputable facts as well:
1. The sun came up today.
2. The sun will set tonight.
3. The sun will come up tomorrow.

Do my facts prove your accusation that Nemo cheated? NO. Neither do any of the facts you listed. In fact, what you posted doesn't mention any actions that Nemo took, only actions that another person on the forums took. Concluding from those facts that Nemo cheated is a fallacy of logic. It is the same as if you concluded that PH is a cheater because you took some course of action. It's completely faulty logic.

If you do have any factual evidence that Nemo cheated, please post that evidence. Otherwise, you really should stop digging.

FatR

I have read Nemo's AARs and interacted with him on the forums a handful of times, have followed everything from this thread, and I have to say that your talking out of your ass.

And to question a man on as many levels as you did with hardly more than a hunch? [:-] shame on you.

Judge Judy is on during the afternoon while the rest of us are working our day jobs. Maybe you should make an appointment.

Nemo - looking forward to following this AAR if it doesn't blow up. I respect you keeping your opponent hidden, and I trust he is of flesh and blood... This scenario has been calling my name, but I have never given it any attention of as yet. Looking forward to following your strategies and discussion. Top notch as always.

Wow - I have to check out from the forum & games for a little while and this stuff is going on? I'm sorry to see this.

FatR - I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. I agree with Mike (USS America) that you should stop digging.


TTFN,

Mike

Just to break up the craziness here I think I should post my Turn 2 combat report... It is, after all, an AAR, if FatR would just leave...

8th September 1945...

Japanese bombers pound Naga at night. I've set the IJA bomber force to 10,000 feet at night as per an agreement requested by my opponent to limit their night-time effectiveness by increasing their altitude. In spite of a huge number of engineers at Naga the bombers still leave the airfield with about 20% runway damage the next morning. Not great, as I had hoped to close it, but enough to hold out the promise of a gradual reduction in airfield capability and its eventual closure. This is important because with the airfield closed any Allied resupply will HAVE to be supported by CVs and that means I'll be able to send PTs, subs and kamikazes out to attack the CVs and attrit them.

Allied bombers hit Kobe at low altitude during the daytime and utterly trash 400+ defending fighters. About 30 B-29s are downed but they destroy over 700 HI, an utterly unsustainable level of loss. We discuss the lethality of low-level bombing and agree that four-engineds at daytime will never fly below 20,000 feet, no matter the mission.


The fleet makes it to Naha, suffering another 4 losses to submarines as well as another CVE torpedoed and probably going to sink before it makes port --- these CVEs are decoys though, I only have 8 Zeroes on board all 3 CVEs. I'm letting him see them to draw subs away from my main CV TF which is now 46 miles from Naha, providing CAP for the invasion TF.

The fleet unloads and takes horrendous losses on landing. Many units are reduced to 40 to 50% effectives with only my Elite units ( defined as anyone with an experience greater than 50 ) surviving with more than 60% combat-ready troops. Most of my troops only have Experience of 20 to 25% and so they get disrupted very easily.

Why so many inexperienced units?
1. It is all I have. I have to use what I have.

2. I don't plan to destroy the Allies at Naga immediately. I plan to launch attack after attack after attack. I want to wear them down, hold out the promise of survival if they are resupplied and use Naga to draw in the Allied fleet and attrit it but also to draw their army units in and attrit them. So many attacks will allow my units to build significant levels of experience.

3. Eventually when I have to withdraw from Okinawa the 5,000+ AV I am landing will be able to form the core of a very successful counter-attack force vs any other landings... This is one reason why the counter-invasion force in Okinawa comprises so many tanks. Not only will they be effective in Okinawa but they'll also be very effective post-Okinawa, particularly with the huge boost in experience they will gain in the fighting there.

So, plans within plans, within plans. There are short-term, medium term and long-term plans running within this operation.


In the air it is clear that I need to withdraw fighters from the front line in order to bolster the defences of the mainland. Unfortunately right now I need to keep the 700 best fighters and pilots I have committed to this operation ( either on the CVs or at Amami Oshima and Nagasaki ). Once I'm ashore and reasonably safe I can afford to pull the navy fighters back and let some Army fighters take to the skies over Naha as CAP.


Anyways, by the end of Day 2 I have some 3,000 AV ashore with probably another 2,000 AV ashore but in a disabled state. My disruption is huge but the Allies are mainly base troops, engineers, FlAK etc so tomorrow should see me retake Naha and inflict significant casualties.

Enemy CD guns and AAA have done sterling work in defending the beaches and an additional 30 of my xAKLs and LSTs have sunk with another 30 or so in sinking condition. It looks like my losses for this operation will definitely be closer to the 150 ships than 100 ship mark. Of course I will mostly lose the small xAKLs and suchlike which I can easily afford to lose. My losses in larger merchants should be much less. The overall impact on my ability to transport fuel and supplies from China to Japan shouldn't be significant, even though the numbers look horrific.

You mentioned taking the two Okinawa bases as a goal before the Allies can do anything. Is this your focus for your main goal... ?

In other words... we all know the inevitable with this scenario and IRL, but are you setting a goal of- If I do this, I accomplish my mission regardless of the final game outcome?

Maybe I should re-read your OP

FWIW, whenever my opponent wants to "out" himself I'm sure he will. I had asked him to keep quiet because of my concern re: FatR's potential behaviour but after today I'm actually a lot more relaxed about it. I've recently emailed him to say that whenever he wants to come forward he can. Knowing him he'll probably stay quiet though. He'll be interested to see what the outcome of leaving this seed of doubt in FatR's mind will be.

He is actually quite curious what FatR has posted here [:D] and interested to see how it develops. He assures me he IS of flesh and blood and while I've spoken with him on the phone before I've never seen him. Damn, maybe FatR is onto something and I'm playing some sort of cyborg? [:D]


jeffk,
Well, no matter what FatR does he can't ruin it. I amn't going to let him get me angry. I can simply restate the facts and let them speak for themselves and, to be honest, I've really quite missed having an AAR. It is fun to chat about options and plans and suchlike.


1EyedJacks,
Welcome back !!!! [:D]
Hope life's treating you better.


On another note:
Guys, I want to say how much I really, really appreciate those who've posted here. I know no-one likes seeing this sort of stuff but you'll have to take my word for it that it really means a lot to me to have people just stand up and say that someone can't be accused without proof. Sometimes the behaviour on this forum really appals me ( and I'm not perfect, I'm sure I appal people at other times )but every so often ( like today ) stuff happens that makes me think, "Wow, overall we're a pretty decent bunch of people."

So, thanks for reminding me of that. I'm touched, really.

jeffk,

Well, I'm not looking to take both bases in the short-term. I want to leave one base as "live bait" for the USN just begging for reinforcement and resupply runs so that I can attrit the USN when they make those runs.

No, my main goal is to crush the Allied navies at every opportunity and limit their ability to support a multi-corps invasion of mainland Japan ( not including Hokkaido ) such that the cost of such an invasion is so prohibitive it is not attempted OR such that the sealift available to carry these troops is so reduced by losses that insufficient troops can be landed in the first wave of the invasion to allow for exploitation of the landing by the Allies.

My other main goal is to build up my fighter force so that I can prevent Allied strategic bombing destroying my ability to produce the weapons of war. So, basically, I want to build up MY shield and destroy HIS spear. Simple enough really.

Specifically I'd like to see a situation where they land a small enough force that I can withstand the attack, hold the base and force them to evacuate. I'd settle for letting them take the base but preventing them from exploiting beyond that base by counter-concentrating my IJA forces.

In the end I'm sure it'll all end up in disaster of course for Japan but on the way there I hope to sink quite a few Allied ships and destroy a lot of planes and kill a lot of troops. I think that, realistically, Japan at this stage of the war is simply looking to maximise the butcher's bill and length of time the war takes, that's the approach I'm taking.

going to be a lot of fun to follow.

What is the biggest irritation so far, in game? 4e bombing that is tough as hell to counter?

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

He assures me he IS of flesh and blood and while I've spoken with him on the phone before I've never seen him.

Mr. Ed, the talking horse?

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

He assures me he IS of flesh and blood and while I've spoken with him on the phone before I've never seen him.

Mr. Ed, the talking horse?

"Hello Dave, would you like to play a game of AE?"

jeffk,

Biggest irritation at this stage in the game was 4-engined bombing. Over the next 3 days though as EVERY kamikaze I sent in went in at 9,000 feet and died that quickly became my greatest irritation. On the plus side the IJN played a bit of a blinder and the USN took some significant losses at little cost to the IJN so it wasn't all bad at all.

With that said, right now I think that the 4-engined bombers are working a lot better than they used to. B-29s are tough as hell but B-24s etc are a lot more interceptable given the accuracy changes I've made to their defensive armaments ( which apply to both sides in an equal manner before anyone wonders ). All in all though he has 4-engined bombers which are ueber-tough but I've got a few sneaky tricks too ( I have high, high hopes for the Shinyos, my suicide motor boats ) so hopefully it'll balance out. Also let's not forget I can hit his B-29 staging areas with Ki-264s if he isn't careful .

I'll post my aerial defence plan tomorrow probably. It is a bit involved but it has to be as I haven't got a lot to work with so have to try to be sneaky in order to make up for that.I changed it by the end of week 1 and will edit those changes in... Basically I had to change it because my defensive plan was basically to hit him with a mix of low and high altitude kamis to split his CAP. With the changes to the code since 1108c that was no longer possible so I had to change the offensive portion of my plans around Okinawa, unfortunately.


Mr Ed eh?
You know, his voice isn't nearly so baritone. Maybe it is Mr Ed disguising his voice? Hmm [8D]

You know, once I asked him about his losses and I did hear a distinct banging sound, hooves on the floor to aid counting perhaps?


Earlier someone asked if the scenario was available for download. I'll check it and upload it in a zip file to the first post in the thread in a couple of days ( once I've checked it for errors ).

"What do you say we go out riding and pick up a couple of fillies?"

To ride? [:D]

"Youre forgetting I am not a horse."


"Too Bad. We could of have a blast double dating..."


I will be seeing my filly in 45 minutes

I hear that in one of the US States that's actually legal.... I don't think it is Kansas though [:D]