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RE: The Japanese after the Coral Sea
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:53 am
by Puhis
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Here's another interesting observation on the difference between the Allies and Japan.
Long after the war, a Japanese veteran was interviewed about his experiences in the Philippines. One of the episodes he described in detail involved the rescue of a downed American pilot. He described how an American submarine surfaced and, while under fire from shore guns, managed to recover the pilot and make good its escpae. The Japanese veteran could not believe that the Americans would risk such an important asset to recover a single man.
That's a pretty telling illustration on the difference between how the Japanese and the Allies perceived the value of life. For Japan, the country was everything and the individual meant very little. But the Allies placed a premium on the value of life (and liberty and the pursuit of happiness) and conducted themselves accordingly (remember when Halsey turned on the carrier's landing lights to recover an incoming flight at dusk even though they were in Indian country?).
Japanese also used subs to pick up downed pilots. Not as regularly as USN, and sertainly not under enemy fire, but they did that too.
At least during Salomon campaing RO-boat were used to rescue pilots. Also subs rescued avioators from Marianes after airfields and planes were destroyed and battles were nearly lost.
RE: The Japanese after the Coral Sea
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:42 am
by Bo Rearguard
ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy
It just blows my mind that a country that started off so well in a war ended so badly.
I suppose you could say the same thing about the German invasion of the Soviet Union. [;)] Everything seemed to be going so beautifully for the first four months. Environmental factors like the weather didn't play the big part in the Pacific, but an over-extended smaller nation getting mired in a fight and then slowly crushed by a larger one still applies.
RE: The Japanese after the Coral Sea
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:55 am
by Fishbed
ORIGINAL: Puhis
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Here's another interesting observation on the difference between the Allies and Japan.
Long after the war, a Japanese veteran was interviewed about his experiences in the Philippines. One of the episodes he described in detail involved the rescue of a downed American pilot. He described how an American submarine surfaced and, while under fire from shore guns, managed to recover the pilot and make good its escpae. The Japanese veteran could not believe that the Americans would risk such an important asset to recover a single man.
That's a pretty telling illustration on the difference between how the Japanese and the Allies perceived the value of life. For Japan, the country was everything and the individual meant very little. But the Allies placed a premium on the value of life (and liberty and the pursuit of happiness) and conducted themselves accordingly (remember when Halsey turned on the carrier's landing lights to recover an incoming flight at dusk even though they were in Indian country?).
Japanese also used subs to pick up downed pilots. Not as regularly as USN, and sertainly not under enemy fire, but they did that too.
At least during Salomon campaing RO-boat were used to rescue pilots. Also subs rescued avioators from Marianes after airfields and planes were destroyed and battles were nearly lost.
Indeed. They also sent a sub after the famous Aleutians Zero once it got sighted, if I remember well.
RE: The Japanese after the Coral Sea
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:00 am
by Fishbed
Ilovestrategy, give this book a try:
http://www.amazon.com/Zero-Masatake-Okumiya/dp/0743444914
Whatever was the role of Martin Caidin in writing this, don't miss the part from Masatake Okumiya (former officer on Junyo). If it's the same book as the one I read in French, that's a fantastic account from the Japanese side, and a very sober view on its weaknesses, especially during the last battle the Kido Butai ever "won" (Santa Cruz, more of a lost victory actually).
His interrogations reports are very interesting too (like this
one)
RE: The Japanese after the Coral Sea
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:04 pm
by Banzan
In the "World at War" series, serveral japanese are telling about their war-memories. One of them was talking about a soldier who just had surrendered and talked about allied victory during his interrogation.
The japanese soldier was absolute baffled, that someone who just surrendered(!) would be able of thinking about victory, instead of hiding in shame.
I guess by their own "standards", defeats like the allies took would have led to a mass suicide of the political and military leaders and it was absolute unbelivable to them, that someone who lost his "honour" would be able to recover and fight back.