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RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:48 pm
by JAMiAM
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
One thing that concerns me about tinkering with Brigade/Regiment ZoC is how it will impact the German '41 advance while facing waves of NKVD regiments.
Do we really want to make those insanely effective NKVD troops even more effective? Would be nice if the Germans had a counter-part to those NKVD regiments for '42+.
It's my understanding that the OP's premise, shared by a fairly large plurality of players, is that the Brigade/Regimental ZOC is too strong, and that it should be reduced, or at least scaled.
RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:56 pm
by Q-Ball
I am in favor of elminating ZOC for Regts/Bdes. Either way, the NKVD Regts have to be turned into roadkill in 1941. They can singlehandedly slow-up a Panzer Corps.
RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:19 pm
by DorianGray
ORIGINAL: JAMiAM
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
One thing that concerns me about tinkering with Brigade/Regiment ZoC is how it will impact the German '41 advance while facing waves of NKVD regiments.
Do we really want to make those insanely effective NKVD troops even more effective? Would be nice if the Germans had a counter-part to those NKVD regiments for '42+.
It's my understanding that the OP's premise, shared by a fairly large plurality of players, is that the Brigade/Regimental ZOC is too strong, and that it should be reduced, or at least scaled.
Thanks for the clarification.
In that case, I am in agreement in reducing ZoC for brigade / regiments. Perhaps something based on CS of the brigade / regiment would be most appropriate? I'm thinking of some of the elite brigade / regiments that are, at least on-par, with some divisions. ( like Lehr, GD, etc )
I can see those maintaining ZoC.
But for adhoc 10-man regiments maintaining ZoC over adjacent hexes in a game of this scale is not proper.
RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:31 pm
by Jakerson
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
One thing that concerns me about tinkering with Brigade/Regiment ZoC is how it will impact the German '41 advance while facing waves of NKVD regiments.
Do we really want to make those insanely effective NKVD troops even more effective? Would be nice if the Germans had a counter-part to those NKVD regiments for '42+.
Germans could break up eatch of their infantry divisions into 3 regiments so they could have tons of regiments if they want to.
RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:41 pm
by DorianGray
ORIGINAL: Jakerson
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
One thing that concerns me about tinkering with Brigade/Regiment ZoC is how it will impact the German '41 advance while facing waves of NKVD regiments.
Do we really want to make those insanely effective NKVD troops even more effective? Would be nice if the Germans had a counter-part to those NKVD regiments for '42+.
Germans could break up eatch of their infantry divisions into 3 regiments so they could have tons of regiments if they want to.
Are they as effective as the NKVD units based on their CS? From my experiences it seems that the NKVD troops are overwhelming difficult to route / shatter in proportion to their strength. From the GE perspective, it is easier to route / shatter other RU formations that are many times more powerful than the NKVD units.
While the NKVD regiments tend to bleed-off much needed GE MPs to just require them to be hit again.... and again....
But perhaps I am wrong in my perceptions?
RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:48 pm
by Ketza
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
ORIGINAL: Jakerson
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
One thing that concerns me about tinkering with Brigade/Regiment ZoC is how it will impact the German '41 advance while facing waves of NKVD regiments.
Do we really want to make those insanely effective NKVD troops even more effective? Would be nice if the Germans had a counter-part to those NKVD regiments for '42+.
Germans could break up eatch of their infantry divisions into 3 regiments so they could have tons of regiments if they want to.
Are they as effective as the NKVD units based on their CS? From my experiences it seems that the NKVD troops are overwhelming difficult to route / shatter in proportion to their strength. From the GE perspective, it is easier to route / shatter other RU formations that are many times more powerful than the NKVD units.
While the NKVD regiments tend to bleed-off much needed GE MPs to just require them to be hit again.... and again....
But perhaps I am wrong in my perceptions?
Your not wrong. Those pesky NKVD regiments in the hands of a seasoned Soviet player can make a huge difference in the first few turns of the game.
RE: Brigade/Regiment ZoC
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:57 pm
by Jakerson
ORIGINAL: DorianGray
Are they as effective as the NKVD units based on their CS? From my experiences it seems that the NKVD troops are overwhelming difficult to route / shatter in proportion to their strength. From the GE perspective, it is easier to route / shatter other RU formations that are many times more powerful than the NKVD units.
While the NKVD regiments tend to bleed-off much needed GE MPs to just require them to be hit again.... and again....
But perhaps I am wrong in my perceptions?
Yes German regiments are I dont remember being ever able to shatter any German units not even one while playing Soviet side not even in 1944 campaing where Soviets can attack with overhelming odds. Sometimes my attacking CV have been a lot larger that what German can get in 41.
Is there any Soviet player around who have been able to shatter German unit?