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Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:13 am**

For the support Matrix and Codeforce give, they should charge even more than they do. Here you get to talk to the devs and publishers, they listen and even add improvements into the game based on us players.

Worth every penny and then some. Yes, the original has been out quite awhile now, and it is still being patched/upgraded. 95% of the games out there quit being supported within a year or faster.

I pay the higher price for games I like to support the devs/publishers so they continue making great games. I don't want to see Matrix or Codeforce go the way of 90% of the other companies out there and dump titles after a year into the bargain bin and quit support. It can take that long to trip over a major game killer bug. But I also have not bought a single game from another company since I found Matrix way back when. Not a single one. But I have about 15 Matrix titles.

Face it, this is the MOO3 everyone wanted. I will say the title. I own it and got burned badly like everyone else. And I don't see anyone else making the games I want.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:20 am**

Hi, guys!
First of all, I for myself feel that the bundle price is quite justified, especially if you take into account the fact that the other 60-buck games just might release addons for themselves, and then guess what their price will be[:D].
On the other hand, the "English only" (kudos, Mysterius!) problem is quite relevant. In the modern gaming world, there should be available the following translations, in this subjective order of relevance:

German (they love games, especially with a strong economic element)
Russian (a hardcore, active gaming community, not to mention that Russian language spans 15 countries)
French
Spanish
Korean, Chinese and Japanese (strong gaming communities)

Just my 5 gryven))

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:34 am**

I do agree on the translation topic. If I was a German who spoke no English, I'd still really want to play this game.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:47 am**

Also, if texts were moddable, i would be happy to translate them in french.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:47 am**

It's all relative actually. I am a Matrix fan but will not touch DW series despite being curious because of the price even with the current sales. It is really too steep for me to justify getting it.

Though I won't hesitate spending that price on Gary Grigsby games. Why? Because I'm not really into 4x space games. I play them once in a while but never finish a whole campaign because I get bored or I get defeated. But monster WW2 games are my interest so I know I'll play GG games. It's about the risk of spending money on a game that you will not play.

So people who defend DW pricing in Matrix would probably be those who are 4x fans and know that DW is of great value to them. Who knows, they might be complaining about GG game prices.

Regarding pricing and sales, Matrix doesn't need to look far. Panzer Corps is selling well and it brings in new people... the price is just right.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:16 am**

For Russia 2141,83 roubles is VERY BIG price. It is 1/10 middle salary of all country (and 1/7 of my region). I never buy this game. But very-very want buy. In Steam games for Russia - Star Ruler: 349 roubles, Mass Effect 2: 399 roubles, Anno 2070: 599 roubles. Feel the difference!

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:27 am**

I should probably point out that when I was writing above I was talking specifically about the UK price.  Lets put things into perspective: 

The cost of DW with all expansions in the USA is 5% more expensive than a AAA title.

The cost of DW with all expansions in the UK is 53% more expensive than a AAA title.

This is taking The1Seans quote of $60 for a AA title in the USA above and DW price of $63 and the price of a AAA title on the amazon.co.uk site of £29.99 in the UK and the DW price of £46.

Hope this makes sense!

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:28 am**

Hi sem.maxim and welcome to the forum. Overhere in Romania that 1/10 report is even worse but I never hesitated to pay the money to support a company that produces a great game like this. I'm not passing judgement but in the end it's a matter of personal choice.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:39 pm**

Hi Jomni,

ORIGINAL: jomni
It's all relative actually. I am a Matrix fan but will not touch DW series despite being curious because of the price even with the current sales. It is really too steep for me to justify getting it.

That's not what you said on the Wargamer... [;)]

Seriously though, it's absolutely a personal choice and we respect that. If we could price it lower at this point, we would. I can only say that if you enjoy 4x space strategy games, you will no doubt get excellent value for your money with Distant Worlds.

Regards,

- Erik

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:19 pm**

I have very many Matrix games and they all have been expensive if I compare to my other game purchases. However, these games are unique and it seems that Matrix games as a company is such also. How many this kind of war gaming companies there are in the whole world? I know two other ones which may be comparable but even among that group Matrix games is probably number 1.

I do not want that gaming as a hobby changes to just one another pointless mass entertainment media (Battlefield, Steam, Skyrim... you know). Those games are great, but I want also more intelligent options. It is hard to keep any company profitable and especially that concerns game software development.

As long as Matrix games continues to develop this kind of great games and gives as good support as they give, I do not mind pay little bit more than usually.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:32 pm**

ORIGINAL: Xornox

I have very many Matrix games and they all have been expensive if I compare to my other game purchases. However, these games are unique and it seems that Matrix games as a company is such also. How many this kind of war gaming companies there are in the whole world? I know two other ones which may be comparable but even among that group Matrix games is probably number 1.

I do not want that gaming as a hobby changes to just one another pointless mass entertainment media (Battlefield, Steam, Skyrim... you know). Those games are great, but I want also more intelligent options. It is hard to keep any company profitable and especially that concerns game software development.

As long as Matrix games continues to develop this kind of great games and gives as good support as they give, I do not mind pay little bit more than usually.

Dang, you just nailed it. I couldn't figure out why I liked Matrix so much at first, but now it clear that it gives me hobby store nostalgia, in a very good way!

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:11 pm**

Totally agree with Xornox [;)]

In my opinion gaming has been dumbed down massively over the past few years, just like music, film and TV [:D]

So yeah I'm okay with paying what I did for games by a company that fills a niche, I was just worried about new customers not biting.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:21 pm**

ORIGINAL: WoodMan

In my opinion gaming has been dumbed down massively over the past few years, just like music, film and TV [:D]

QFT. And honestly it's past several years. It's been going on for a while.

I personally have had zero problems with DWs price; Excellent game and small developer that I feel good supporting. There are not that many genuinely good 4Xs around these days.

Also, as a comparison: I bought Forza 4s LCE. That's about 100€ + pretty much all the DLC car-packs I'm going to buy in the future. Funny thing: I don't have problem with this either as I'm carnut of some degree.
It all just comes down to personal tastes and relativity.

Anyways... *Runs back playing Legends*

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:09 pm**

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

For the support Matrix and Codeforce give, they should charge even more than they do. Here you get to talk to the devs and publishers, they listen and even add improvements into the game based on us players.

Worth every penny and then some. Yes, the original has been out quite awhile now, and it is still being patched/upgraded. 95% of the games out there quit being supported within a year or faster.

I pay the higher price for games I like to support the devs/publishers so they continue making great games. I don't want to see Matrix or Codeforce go the way of 90% of the other companies out there and dump titles after a year into the bargain bin and quit support. It can take that long to trip over a major game killer bug. But I also have not bought a single game from another company since I found Matrix way back when. Not a single one. But I have about 15 Matrix titles.

Face it, this is the MOO3 everyone wanted. I will say the title. I own it and got burned badly like everyone else. And I don't see anyone else making the games I want.

2ndACR -

I am in complete agreement - Matrix Games products are First Class designs; support is immediately available through the forums and the game developers continue to support and patch their games far beyond what is the accepted norm in the gaming world.

I have nine Matrix titles. War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition probably takes up 90 percent of my gaming time. Released in July of 2009, the game still receives exceptional support from the Developers, modders and forum fans. It was a top notch game, plus dev and forum support that kept me hanging in there long before I had a clue as to how to play this very complex game. That is pretty remarkable.

I have the first two of the Distant World series, and shall shortly purchase and download Legends. Quality is most important; the price irrelevant, Matrix has proven itself to be Honorable in it's business practices and enjoys my full trust and confidence. I know I wont be disappointed.

"Integrity First
Service before Self
Excellence in all we do"

Mac

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:46 pm**

I do agree on a lower price for a bundle, £45 for DW and ROTS would be better with the price of L being £20 sold on its own or £15 if bought with the DW ROTS bundle.

Had a look on Amazon.co.uk and it cant get any worse than this [:D]

Darkspire

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:21 pm**

It really is personal choice, as Erik says above. I can only speak regarding U.S. pricing, but I consider DW with the expansions as the WitE of space strategy games. So I feel compelled to buy the third game at $20 U.S. as an investment in a product I will be playing for years. It is at the top of the genre, IMO, so I can justify it. Especially as SotS2 did not come out so well.

 

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:44 pm**

ORIGINAL: rosseau
It really is personal choice, as Erik says above. I can only speak regarding U.S. pricing, but I consider DW with the expansions as the WitE of space strategy games. So I feel compelled to buy the third game at $20 U.S. as an investment in a product I will be playing for years. It is at the top of the genre, IMO, so I can justify it. Especially as SotS2 did not come out so well.

That's the point. But the price is quite high for first time buyers. You have to acknowledge that these people are taking risks because it's their first time in the series. If they find out they don't like it then it's a lot of money wasted. And don't ever justify by saying "no one will regret buying this game because it's good" as people have different tastes.

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:23 am**

I completely agree, Jomni. Notice I said "compelled to buy." I didn't take the plunge yet. And that's just $20. The E.U. prices are ridiculous and the bundle situation makes it worse.

If I was them, buy the original DW and patch it up to start. Also, pick up Star Ruler when it goes on sale for $5! 

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:08 am**

ORIGINAL: jomni

You have to acknowledge that these people are taking risks because it's their first time in the series. If they find out they don't like it then it's a lot of money wasted. And don't ever justify by saying "no one will regret buying this game because it's good" as people have different tastes.

So just buy the base game and see if you like it, it's a much smaller "risk". That said, this game has been around quite a while and generated plenty of buzz. I think that with all the youtube gameplay videos, forum discussions, and AAR's you should be able to get a pretty good idea of what you are in for.

Personally I was burned by MoO3, Imperium Galactica 2, Space Empires 5, and Elemental. In every case I made the mistake of not doing my research prior to buying. I did a lot of lurking and reading before I took the $50 plunge for the original Distant Worlds, and I have never regretted it.

Posted: **Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:12 am**

ORIGINAL: WoodMan

I should probably point out that when I was writing above I was talking specifically about the UK price. Lets put things into perspective:

The cost of DW with all expansions in the USA is 5% more expensive than a AAA title.

The cost of DW with all expansions in the UK is 53% more expensive than a AAA title.

This is taking The1Seans quote of $60 for a AA title in the USA above and DW price of $63 and the price of a AAA title on the amazon.co.uk site of £29.99 in the UK and the DW price of £46.

Hope this makes sense!

Thanks for putting that in perspective for both UK buyers and us Yanks. I personally emphasized the 5% AAA/DW price point difference because many were judging the US price as unreasonable, when $60 is actually getting to be a pretty common price point here in the states.

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