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ORIGINAL: RooksBailey

ORIGINAL: themetalcrow

that's cool but do you guys feel this is an exploit or have you seen ai empires arming their mining stations as well or what?

Going forward, I think DW does need to better define roles for ships and stations. Ship classes need more definition (the new carriers are a step in the right direction and a good example of what I mean), and freighters and bases need to be less free-form both to avoid possible exploits, as well as to make them more interesting for the player to research and design. For example, I believe civilian freighters should not be able to carry military-grade blasters unless the player researches "merchants of war" on the tech tree to permit such a design (just an example). This would provide more structure to the design process, as well as give the AI a chance to match the players designs. Same for mining stations (the player starts with an unarmed version but can research a militarized one if he wishes).

ORIGINAL: Ares106

ORIGINAL: Shark7

You can put weapons on any station in game and they will still function in the role they were designed for. And they do quite the job of defending themselves.

My personal preference for stations is 6 shields and 6 Maxos blasters. Takes quite a while before pirates can get strong enough to over-power that.

but is it cost effective? assuming normal pirates on average distance.

ORIGINAL: the1sean

Elliot plans to release the next update for Legends sometime around late January. It will overhaul ship design, and will also include ship design files for each race. I will personally be updating those design files with lightly armed stations for ALL empires. The AI Empires will have their day in the sun!

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: the1sean
Elliot plans to release the next update for Legends sometime around late January. It will overhaul ship design, and will also include ship design files for each race. I will personally be updating those design files with lightly armed stations for ALL empires. The AI Empires will have their day in the sun!

Definately will be as well, will probably make the AI designs similar in power and defense as my own, but each with its own unique design features.

Definately will be as well, will probably make the AI designs similar in power and defense as my own, but each with its own unique design features.

ORIGINAL: Krippakrull

I do arm some stuff as well, though it feels kind of wrong that the civilian sector has to pay for my heavily armed mining stations. To make it a harder choice, why not have the maintenance for any stations or ships that's more than a gun or two come out of the state budget? That way I'd still build pretty beefy mining stations at critical locations, but be hard pressed to make each and every station being able to single handedly beat most pirates.

ORIGINAL: Gelatinous Cube

ORIGINAL: Krippakrull

I do arm some stuff as well, though it feels kind of wrong that the civilian sector has to pay for my heavily armed mining stations. To make it a harder choice, why not have the maintenance for any stations or ships that's more than a gun or two come out of the state budget? That way I'd still build pretty beefy mining stations at critical locations, but be hard pressed to make each and every station being able to single handedly beat most pirates.

The most realistic solution would be to keep a running tally of "Defense Costs" for civilian ships and bases. You would tally up all the firepower, and it would equate to a certain annual cost that represents ammo, training, merchant marines, ect. You would then make the state pay for the Firepower, and the civilians pay for the rest.

ORIGINAL: tjhkkr

Which means I am probably going to get my tail kicked between my shoulders... and that is good.

ORIGINAL: Gelatinous Cube

ORIGINAL: Krippakrull

I do arm some stuff as well, though it feels kind of wrong that the civilian sector has to pay for my heavily armed mining stations. To make it a harder choice, why not have the maintenance for any stations or ships that's more than a gun or two come out of the state budget? That way I'd still build pretty beefy mining stations at critical locations, but be hard pressed to make each and every station being able to single handedly beat most pirates.

The most realistic solution would be to keep a running tally of "Defense Costs" for civilian ships and bases. You would tally up all the firepower, and it would equate to a certain annual cost that represents ammo, training, merchant marines, ect. You would then make the state pay for the Firepower, and the civilians pay for the rest.

ORIGINAL: MartialDoctor

Putting shields and weapons on mining stations will increase the upkeep dramatically and is not really cost effective.  It will hamper your ability to expand without giving much return benefit.

It's much more cost effective to either pay off the pirates or defend your stations with small, patrolling fleets.

ORIGINAL: Evrett

Putting weapons on mining stations draws resources away from weapon components used in ships and stabases..if your AI goes an builds a bunch of mining stations you can get a bottleneck from all the resources being reserved. 

ORIGINAL: Evrett

Putting weapons on mining stations draws resources away from weapon components used in ships and stabases..if your AI goes an builds a bunch of mining stations you can get a bottleneck from all the resources being reserved.