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Thanks all for the input. I have followed and tried out the advice offererd with no conversions resulting. As suggested by Phuis and the links provided by Omat (Never found these in my searchs[&:]) I will continue to build up the repair yard at Tokyo to 50. This seems to be a unique problem to scenario 1 as the repair yard in scenario 2 is larger. I will wait and see if this works and then post the results. It's a couple of game weeks away so will take about a week or so.

I think part of the confusion (at least on my part) is that Tokyo has a ship yard of 100 but a repair yard of only 10. When you click on the conversion requirments it states minimum ship yard size of 50.

Krigan

This conversion thing is really silly. Historically they were converted at Yokosuka and Sasebo, and in this game player have to substantially expand Tokyo's small repair yard to make it happen. And there's no way new player can know that some of the conversions are hard coded...

ORIGINAL: Puhis

This conversion thing is really silly. Historically they were converted at Yokosuka and Sasebo, and in this game player have to substantially expand Tokyo's small repair yard to make it happen. And there's no way new player can know that some of the conversions are hard coded...

As I recall, this particular limitation was put in late in the development cycle as a plug for a cheat that was showing up in games. The limitation is:

Any conversion that changes the type of a ship TO a capital ship FROM a non-capital ship must be done in the national home port. Capital ship means carriers and battleships.

The cheat was to perform such conversions at remote outposts, where facilities for such a complex conversion would obviously not be available. Also some older WITP games had laughable conversions (like AK to CV) that we wanted to restrict. We had originally thought that the shipyard size limitation was sufficent to control such conversions but there was apparently some remaining issue (don't recall exactly what) that led to this decision. Might have been scenario mods that increased shipyard capacity at some locations.

The underlying assumption was that the facilites would only be available in the homeland and at a major building/repair site. Note that the AE dvelopment team went to great lengths to NOT use literals for bases (or other things) unless absolutely necessary, so the only reasonable choice was a national home port.

Unfortunately the decision and change were made after the manual was "frozen". We weren't all that concerned as the only two historical conversions that would be affected were Chitose and Chiyoda.

Anyway, that's why. Don't think it is going to change now, so I'd recommend adapting to it.

Well,

Don, with all due respect. Whats a "Frozen" manual in an era of www and pdfs means? Sounds sily really.

ORIGINAL: WITPPL

Well,

Don, with all due respect. Whats a "Frozen" manual in an era of www and pdfs means? Sounds sily really.

Tthe manual was frozen because it had to go to the printers. The silly part is that there are no competitive printers left in the US and it had to go to a printer in China.

Once again, I am sorry I posted anything.

Thanks for clearing this up, Don.. There's nothing a little institutional knowledge to remove a mystery!

Paul

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Once again, I am sorry I posted anything.

Don't be sorry. Veteran players know these things, but many newbies seem to have difficulties with Chitose/Chiyoda conversions.

But every time this forum helps. [;)]

Tthe manual was frozen because it had to go to the printers. The silly part is that there are no competitive printers left in the US and it had to go to a printer in China.

Once again, I am sorry I posted anything.

Don I am really appreciate that you did provide a post.
Please dont refrain from posting answers to factual questions [:)]