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Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:03 pm**

So im going with bypassing the Singapore and Philippines pockets to prevent more speed bumbs, what do the veterans say about this?[8|]

The timetable for New Guinea and Solomons is still open but it will probably be December-January.

So is the possible Northern Pacific operation.

Im worried about Burma but even more about China, im reading the forums daily about those.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:44 pm**

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

"May the odds always be in your favor" --

sorry, I just saw The Hunger Games Sunday. Good luck. Nice Cover Page.

Blackhorse, if you're hungry, you should go to the "War and Peas" AAR and get some peas and quiet.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:06 pm**

ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

So im going with bypassing the Singapore and Philippines pockets to prevent more speed bumbs, what do the veterans say about this?[8|]

The timetable for New Guinea and Solomons is still open but it will probably be December-January.

So is the possible Northern Pacific operation.

Im worried about Burma but even more about China, im reading the forums daily about those.

Philippines - no problem with this. All the Allied forces tied up in Bataan does is prevent the use of Manila. No big deal.

Singapore - For me, this is too important a base to not have. Yeah, it takes a while and a lot of assets, but I want to get this base as soon as possible. It's too important for me.

If you're going for Pt. Moresby, do it as soon as possible. Not having this base really hurts come mid-42.

NorthPac is easier to do later, but that depends on your opponent. If he decides to, he can build up there and cause you pain later.

China is a pain in the butt. It takes forever to properly garrison the bases. Try to surround the Chinese in the clear hexes. They'll die pretty quickly that way. If you don't kill them now, you'll pay in 43-44.

Burma is tough. There aren't a lot of assets available and it takes forever just to walk there. You'll need lots of support units to build up the air bases you'll need to try and hold off the RAF. Take Pt. Blair. That is a great base for Netties. It can close the Bay of Bengal to Allied shipping.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:09 pm**

I have never accelerated CV Hiyo, when can she be available?

Save the money, you have enough CVs in the beginning. Rather spend the HI in accelerating a 44 CV to get it in 43.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:45 pm**

ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

Have not been in my own computer for a few days so cant give specifics but i want to share the broad strokes of the plans so far.

December-January operations.

Philippines-Southern Borneo-Northern Celebes

14th Army, 4 Division and 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

16th Army will take Mindanao and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Northern Celebes

Malay-Northern Borneo-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Borneo and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or somebody will be fired.[8|])

January-February operations.

Philippines

4 Division, 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Malay-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Southern Borneo- Southern Celebes-Ceram-Bali

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Southern Celebes, Ceram and Bali and destroy the enemy forces there

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or everyone will be fired.[8|])

Java

14th Army and 16th Army will take Java and destroy the enemy forces there.

What are you doing with 38th Div after capture of Hong Kong? Where is 48th Div? Or are they part of what you call 16th and 14th Armies? This would be easier to understand and comment on if you listed each Army with its divisions, their objectives, and current AV, such as:

14th Army:
4th Division - Luzon (400)
48th Division - Luzon (420)
16th Division - Mindanao (380)
21st Division - Luzon (400)

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:58 pm**

ORIGINAL: Historiker

I have never accelerated CV Hiyo, when can she be available?
Save the money, you have enough CVs in the beginning. Rather spend the HI in accelerating a 44 CV to get it in 43.

No i dont. [:D]

But poor is poor and i axed the whole KB2 concept from my starting naval OOB, i will get back to it when i get Junyo and Hioy.

It just isnt for me, i moved the BBs back front and will use KB when i have to, not sitting in port, overall agressive start.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:05 pm**

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer

ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

Have not been in my own computer for a few days so cant give specifics but i want to share the broad strokes of the plans so far.

December-January operations.

Philippines-Southern Borneo-Northern Celebes

14th Army, 4 Division and 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

16th Army will take Mindanao and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Northern Celebes

Malay-Northern Borneo-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Borneo and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or somebody will be fired.[8|])

January-February operations.

Philippines

4 Division, 21 Division will take Luzon and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Malay-Sumatra

25th Army will take the Malay peninsula and destroy or contain the enemy forces there

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Northern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Sumatra and destroy the enemy forces there.

Southern Borneo- Southern Celebes-Ceram-Bali

Combined Army/Navy forces will take Southern Borneo, Southern Celebes, Ceram and Bali and destroy the enemy forces there

Burma

15th Army will take Southern Burma and destroy the enemy forces there. (Or everyone will be fired.[8|])

Java

14th Army and 16th Army will take Java and destroy the enemy forces there.

What are you doing with 38th Div after capture of Hong Kong? Where is 48th Div? Or are they part of what you call 16th and 14th Armies? This would be easier to understand and comment on if you listed each Army with its divisions, their objectives, and current AV, such as:

14th Army:
4th Division - Luzon (400)
48th Division - Luzon (420)
16th Division - Mindanao (380)
21st Division - Luzon (400)

Yes, i ment the starting compositions. 14th and 16th have lots of armor also that are useful in Java.
Sorry about not being more specific, been away from my computer.[:)]

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:17 pm**

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Teikoku Kaigun

So im going with bypassing the Singapore and Philippines pockets to prevent more speed bumbs, what do the veterans say about this?[8|]

The timetable for New Guinea and Solomons is still open but it will probably be December-January.

So is the possible Northern Pacific operation.

Im worried about Burma but even more about China, im reading the forums daily about those.

Philippines - no problem with this. All the Allied forces tied up in Bataan does is prevent the use of Manila. No big deal.

Singapore - For me, this is too important a base to not have. Yeah, it takes a while and a lot of assets, but I want to get this base as soon as possible. It's too important for me.

If you're going for Pt. Moresby, do it as soon as possible. Not having this base really hurts come mid-42.

NorthPac is easier to do later, but that depends on your opponent. If he decides to, he can build up there and cause you pain later.

China is a pain in the butt. It takes forever to properly garrison the bases. Try to surround the Chinese in the clear hexes. They'll die pretty quickly that way. If you don't kill them now, you'll pay in 43-44.

Burma is tough. There aren't a lot of assets available and it takes forever just to walk there. You'll need lots of support units to build up the air bases you'll need to try and hold off the RAF. Take Pt. Blair. That is a great base for Netties. It can close the Bay of Bengal to Allied shipping.

But does the siege and softening phase need more forces than the 25th allready has?

I really need to get more forces to Burma from somewhere but the same time need some in New Guinea-Solomons, have to go trough all the possibilities.

Playing the AI i have been moving close to historical timetables so this is all new to me.

But this is all theoretical, could be that i have 4-5 Divisions drowned after first week.[:D]

Thanks for visiting here also.[:)]

Posted: **Thu May 10, 2012 11:36 am**

So the game started, i have mixed feelings about it.
I have been more busy after my vacation started than normal.

My opponent had to wait for 15days for the first turn and was getting irritated so i abandoned some of my plans.
I went with a conservative start and even forgot some plans i had written down.
But it could have been worse i guess.[8|]

I didnt break up KB as i chickened out with little time to finish the turn.
Main landings this turn where
Phillippines> Iba and San Fernando
Malay >Kota Bharu and Singora
Northern Borneo> Miri

I can post more if i get some time and if anyone is interested, im little short on time.
Saturday im leaving to Netherlands and when i get back next week i leave straight to Lebanon.
So the game moves slow until those trips are done.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41

The worst thing that happened is that BB Kongo is probably gone, she took 4 torps of Kota Bharu.[:(]

Sub attack near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
DD Oshio
DD Arashio
DD Michishio

Allied Ships
SS KXI

SS KXI launches 4 torpedoes at BB Kongo
KXI bottoming out ....
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Michishio fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Sub attack near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
SS KXI, hits 4

SS KXI launches 4 torpedoes at BB Kongo
KXI bottoming out ....
DD Arashio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Arashio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Her damage is Systems 30 Flotation 80 Engine 15, no fires tough.[X(]
But i dont haveany place to dock her close, anyone seen a miracle with this kind of damage?

PH strike was ok i think, those minisubs made it this time. [:D]
I got some good hits, explosions, listings and engine damage and most of the BBs are out for some time.
Those sunk DDs, hits on cruisers and auxiliaries where an nice plus.
Usual damage on the airfied strike.
I didnt change anything about the strike, i have tested different settings for the airstike and nothing seems to improve it.

idget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-22, hits 1

Allied Ships
PC Taney
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 1

SSX Ha-22 eludes ASW attack from PC Taney
SSX Ha-22 eludes PC Taney by hugging bottom
PC Taney cannot establish contact with SSX Ha-22
SSX Ha-22 eludes PC Taney by hugging bottom

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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-19, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DM Preble
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 1

DM Preble loses contact with SSX Ha-19
SSX Ha-19 eludes ASW attack from DM Preble

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 68
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 52 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 7 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 179 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 7 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 20 damaged
C-33: 2 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 17 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 49 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 22 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 10 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 65 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 5 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 20 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 4 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 29 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 4 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DM Breese
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1
DD Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Worden, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 5
Airbase hits 47
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 86
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
14 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet
21 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th PG/44th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
15th PG/47th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes

Training flight from 18th PG/44th PS has been caught up in attack
Training flight from 15th PG/47th PS has been caught up in attack

Landings too place in the Philippines in Iba and San Fernando, both lacked LRCAP as i forgot to divide some Zeros for them. [8|]
Good luck that real damage happened only in Iba.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iba at 78,75

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 6
PBY-4 Catalina x 4
SOC-1 Seagull x 3

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-4 Catalina: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Kazuura Maru, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Shinko Maru

Japanese ground losses:
2052 casualties reported
Squads: 50 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (7 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PBY-4 Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
3 x SOC-1 Seagull bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

That hurt.. He is moving forces from Lingayen to Iba, seems he was expecting this landing so its going to get hot there.

This is the only ship i lost in the first turn, i have some AKs with bomb hits in Malay and Philippines but atleast they are empty soon. Next turn im sure i will loose some and Kongo probably.

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