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Posted: **Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:45 pm**

atlantic submarine war can be part of

a true war in the west scenario

the entire threater from battle of france onwards

Posted: **Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:00 pm**

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

I would not base a BoA design on the WitP game engine. Wrong time scale, wrong geographic scale, and too much fiddley subjective stuff involving subjectively determined, yet critical, numbers such as EXP and aggressiveness, that are based on no research at all.

I see, the witp engine expert has spoken! [&o]

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:41 am**

Clay Blair's "Hitler's U-Boat War" shows how the u-boat war was a tonnage war where the Germans were losing ground right from the beginning. They never got close to winning. Sure they sank "X Tons" but even at the peak of losses the Allies' production was outstripping losses by a good margin. And when the Allied technical superiority kicked in (March-May, 1943) the turnaround was head-spinning.

I agree the Med would be intriguing--but this is a theatre where getting all the pieces right is essential. I was thinking the land war aspect of the WitP engine just isn't good enough.

The German air element is only interesting in Norway... Not enough German surface elements to sustain action. When to send out the Tirpitz for the Yamato-suicide run?

But I'd buy it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:46 am**

Grigsby is working on a War in the West variant of War in the East. The air war part of WitE is sadly sub-par. It'll be interesting to see what he comes up with, but I'm afraid the naval warfare part will be the sub-par element there.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:00 am**

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

german submarines were basically unchanged since WW1, and they were pretty good at grinding it out against allied ships, and they built a large number of subs, so that was quite good for them

in an AE experimental mod I did once to test different designs, it was determined:

1) the best defence against ASW patrol planes is a float fighter on CAP above the submarine

2) the best defence against ASW ships, is a decoy midget sub to absorb 50% of the asw attacks

for next generation concepts, japanese submarines were a lot more advanced

a japanese wolfpack of carrier submarines can defend itself with float fighters, launch torpedo planes to attack convoys, use midget subs to distract enemy ASW or attack ports, and fire Typ95 torpedoes and Kaitens from long range

if yamamoto lived, they would have built 20 or so SenToku or just more AM class submarines,
would have been a real pain for allied convoys in 1944/1945

you can mod whatever you want but keep our eyes from this BS if you try to make it sound realistic

float fighters defending submarines and torpedo bombers attacking convoys, this is even sillier than your Emily fantasy or the other crap you want to sell as realism or what if history

Warspite1

Nice to see the recent pledge for forum moderation has been taken on board [8|]

forum moderation or not, there is a point as to when BS just overflows the toilet and this has been an issue for the recent months when this silliness came out of somewhere and spams the forum like a spambot trying to sell porn or shoes.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:54 am**

ORIGINAL: castor troy

or shoes.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:15 am**

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL: castor troy

or shoes.

www.zalando.de

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:59 pm**

spams the forum like a spambot trying to sell porn or shoes.

Where's the harm?

Yes, he loves to imagine the IJN beefed up into some alternative universe juggernaut on the basis of fantasy tech. SO WHAT? If he were posting what if's about German 4E strategic jet bombers blitzing New York City he'd have a legion of devoted fans around here.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:28 pm**

always saying the japanese are a bit overpowered in AE

restrictions need to be put on Jap AC production (separate aluminum and steel)

so AC cannot be built from HI points of cancelled ships

but i do have discussions about aircraft design (my specialty)

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah

and I am complimentary of the unorthodox weapons systems that were devised

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:52 pm**

Makes me think of the old Carriers at War. The Complete edition, that is; had plenty of cool Atlantic and Arctic scenarios. Mmmm, those were the days...

The last time it was tried was NWS's Supremacy at Sea. Not a very good title...

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:14 am**

I have never been really successful at sinking subs with an airplane so I am not sure how the bay of Biscay air interdiction would work out.

A game about the naval battle for the med would be great.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:17 am**

and I am complimentary of the unorthodox weapons systems that were devised

Some of them were interesting conceptually. Of course, I guess we could say that about most, errrm, "paradigm shifting" (a phrase I kinda dislike because it's a cliche) weapons.

I think their light mortar was interesting, and very useful, had it been produced in greater numbers. The Japanese army desperately needed support weapons. And their torps were very solid designs (albeit, resulting in the loss of several of their CAs from hits in the torpedo mounts, so perhaps a double-edged sword).

These days, I rather wish that the JNSDF would build a CV or two, but that is a discussion for some other place.

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