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Vanguard refusing to go to the breaker's yard quietly:

And finally, Warspite grounded on her way to the breakers in the ironically named Prussian Cove:

Yamato

Yamato class gets my vote. Something that big with clean lines and still looks like a Battleship

ORIGINAL: cohimbra

Yamato

warspite1

Well, if you want your vote to count you know what to do [:)]

ORIGINAL: borner

Yamato class gets my vote. Something that big with clean lines and still looks like a Battleship

warspite1

Well if you want your vote to count yo know what to do etc etc

ORIGINAL: sprior

And finally, Warspite grounded on her way to the breakers in the ironically named Prussian Cove:

Are you sure thats not a picture taken after an epic WiF game in which Yamato sunk Warspite....or was it the other way around. I can't remember..........[:'(]

What a terrible picture of Warspite.

My vote has to be for DAK Bismarck!

ORIGINAL: Empire101

ORIGINAL: sprior

And finally, Warspite grounded on her way to the breakers in the ironically named Prussian Cove:

Are you sure thats not a picture taken after an epic WiF game in which Yamato sunk Warspite....or was it the other way around. I can't remember..........[:'(]

warspite1

No sir! This was the thanks the Grand Old Lady got after she had won the war. The image you were thinking of was as per below:

Warspite1 sends over a deadly salvo and Yamato blows up - Hurrah [&o]. Now its off to Trincomalee for tea and medals [:)]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

What a terrible picture of Warspite.

My vote has to be for DAK Bismarck!

warspite1

Well if you want your vote to count you know where to go [:)]

...and yes, its a desperately sad end for such a fine ship [:(]

Come on folks - its really tight in Group 1 - and after building a seemingly unassailable lead, Yamato is coming back at Iowa in Group 2. If you want your favourite through to the final get over to the General Discussion forum and go to the Australian Beauties thread. Your fav Fast Battleship needs you:



Group 1

HMS King George V (4) warspite1, redcoat, british exil, sprior
Bismarck (4) Orm, fodder, MAurelius, Empire101
Vittorio Veneto (2) Chickenboy, cohimbra

Group 2

USS Iowa (6) warspite1, Orm, parusski, Chickenboy, MAurelius, british exil
Yamato (3) fodder, cohimbra, Empire101
Richelieu (2) redcoat, sprior

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Empire101

ORIGINAL: sprior

And finally, Warspite grounded on her way to the breakers in the ironically named Prussian Cove:

Are you sure thats not a picture taken after an epic WiF game in which Yamato sunk Warspite....or was it the other way around. I can't remember..........[:'(]

warspite1

No sir! This was the thanks the Grand Old Lady got after she had won the war. The image you were thinking of was as per below:

Warspite1 sends over a deadly salvo and Yamato blows up - Hurrah [&o]. Now its off to Trincomalee for tea and medals [:)]

ORIGINAL: Empire101

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I look forward to it Empire. I can see the AAR now:

April 1942. The RN's Eastern Fleet, led by HMS Warspite, sorties into the South China Sea and quickly despatches Yamato, Hiei, Kongo and Nagato to the bottom of the sea. Yamato and Warspite fought a duel that lasted 30 minutes. Warspite's 15-inchers pummelled the hapless Japanese battleship into oblivion, while in reply, the Grand Old Lady required a new lick of paint when she returned triumphantly to Singapore after the battle.

Yes yes....I can picture it now.

Warspite: Suck on this Empire ( rolls 4 sixes )

Empire:- No..Noooo....NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! ( Yamato is sunk....Empire presses the eject button on his chair and is catapulted into the nearest heap of discarded 3rd Reich games )

Even now I can hear the screaming........

Ahh yes...now I remember......and I can still hear the screaming..........[:(]

Dunkerque class battleship

ORIGINAL: Barny

Dunkerque class battleship

warspite1

Not in the competition - Richelieu represents France.

Not voting for anything (can't really make up my mind), but I do find BBs with the clipper bow and triple turrets more aesthetic. Twin turrets on a BB look antiquated to my eye.

Bill

ORIGINAL: sprior

How about HMS Victory, she was still in commission 39-45. She still is.

Well if we're going to go there I have to choose the USS Constitution. Not just better looking, I'd prefer to be in her. That was not intended to be a double entendre.

The HMS Victory is the early 19th century equivalent of a battleship. The USS Constitution, while a fine looking ship, is smaller and it closer to a 20th century destroyer.

It may be all the models of the Constitution that have been on the market, but at least among Americans the lines of the Constitution are what we think of when we think of a fighting ship of sail.

Bill

I have to disagree with you there, it was the most powerful sailing frigate (with her two sisters) ever built and it was much faster than any ship-of-the-line, and could while running away, tack and fire a salvo over and over, while the SotL would be unable to do the same without losing her. She also had 32 flippin' pounder guns. I would build a fleet of them and no SotLs, period.

Another thing about the 32 pounders, any SotL's upper two gun decks would not have the range of the Constitution's guns and therefor the SotL would be technically outgunned.

One more thing about Ol' Ironsides. Beside being very fast, she was virtually armoured due to the design thickness of her upper hull. Thus Ol' Ironsides.

Rather than comparing her to a destroyer, I would compare her to a Klingon Bird of Prey. [;)] You could also say she was a Battlecruiser of her time.

I would consider a mere fighting sloop of war equivalent to a cruiser, anyhow.

While we're on the subject, I really, really like armed Brigantines. They would be equivalent to destroyers and I would build a bunch of them.

I have to agree that a fleet of US frigates would probably beat a fleet of 74-gun SotL's if you put the same resources into each. The Constitutions were basically small SotL's themselves when you consider just how strongly they were built.

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I have to disagree with you there, it was the most powerful sailing frigate (with her two sisters) ever built and it was much faster than any ship-of-the-line, and could while running away, tack and fire a salvo over and over, while the SotL would be unable to do the same without losing her. She also had 32 flippin' pounder guns. I would build a fleet of them and no SotLs, period.

Which is pretty much what the early USN did. They built as many frigates as they could afford, which unfortunately was not that many.

Another thing about the 32 pounders, any SotL's upper two gun decks would not have the range of the Constitution's guns and therefor the SotL would be technically outgunned.

One more thing about Ol' Ironsides. Beside being very fast, she was virtually armoured due to the design thickness of her upper hull. Thus Ol' Ironsides.

Rather than comparing her to a destroyer, I would compare her to a Klingon Bird of Prey. [;)] You could also say she was a Battlecruiser of her time.

I would consider a mere fighting sloop of war equivalent to a cruiser, anyhow.

While we're on the subject, I really, really like armed Brigantines. They would be equivalent to destroyers and I would build a bunch of them.

I'm not arguing with the power and utility of the early USN frigates. They were probably the most efficient fighting ships to their day, however they map to more modern ships. However, the thread is about BBs and battlecruisers have already been ruled out as the wrong class.

Another possible classification would be a pocket battleship, though mapping ships of sail to more modern ships is a bit tricky. The change in propulsion and the advent of armor on ships changed the way everything was done on ships to a point where the old classes only fit loosely at best.

Bill