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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

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I read his book and it was very good. I think I have the book somewhere in my million book library.

I agree. IMO it was much much better then Beevors book primarily because all of the personal stories.

Yeah. I meant to mention that I thought it was better than what Beevor wrote.

warspite1

Mmmm nice Beevor

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.

yeah..best books written are by Jason D Mark. Very expensive but boy are they worth every penny. Island of fire is my No1 military history book by a long shot.

The Forsaken Army and Stalingrad Reassessment are two other great books..for a novel read Stalingrad by Theodor Plievier

ORIGINAL: wodin

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.

yeah..best books written are by Jason D Mark. Very expensive but boy are they worth every penny. Island of fire is my No1 military history book by a long shot.

The Forsaken Army and Stalingrad Reassessment are two other great books..for a novel read Stalingrad by Theodor Plievier

You have stumped me on those books. I must look into this.

POW at Stalingrad

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

5,000 came back alive in 1955 out of over 300,000 men. I've studied Stalingrad for over 30 years and I'm still amazed by that.

By the end of 1941 (therefore a mere 5 months into Barbarossa) three million Soviet soldiers had been taken prisoners. By the end of that same year er... two million had already *died* Amazing eh?

Technically the Wehrmacht didn't use *bullets*... they simply er... did not feed them [;)]

Me wonders if the Soviets [intelligence and other sources) *knew that*...

A very depressing photo, he looks as if he is already dead.

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel



POW at Stalingrad

It is and he probably was. No way he made the long march and parade.

The eyes are very haunting.

TulliusDetritus. I think a lot of the apathy has to do with the effects of the Cold War, the Iron Curtain, and the fact that the Soviets were considered an enemy here in These States for so long.

Doesn't make it right and you are spot on in your post, but I think that is one of the issues. The Germans were our enemy that we quickly became the protector of.

mo reb

Stalin died in 1953, which was probably a big help in returning home for them.

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

5,000 came back alive in 1955 out of over 300,000 men. I've studied Stalingrad for over 30 years and I'm still amazed by that.

By the end of 1941 (therefore a mere 5 months into Barbarossa) three million Soviet soldiers had been taken prisoners. By the end of that same year er... two million had already *died* Amazing eh?

Technically the Wehrmacht didn't use *bullets*... they simply er... did not feed them [;)]

Me wonders if the Soviets [intelligence and other sources) *knew that*...

It's really hard for me to comprehend that. What's amazing is that those 2 million men could be swallowed up in the vastness of the fields on the way to Stalingrad. It's kinda like the Pacific Ocean but with endless fields.

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POW at Stalingrad

I'm just looking at the contrast between the two men. They look like boys but after what they went through, they were men.