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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

That is not true, I have quit our game because of different reasons. Getting Leningrad, being in front of Moscow and Stalino +/- 20 divsions in pockets on turn 13 can be hardly called as "things gets tough"

Well, you got the divisions encircled just because of Leningrad. I was 5 million in strength, and you captured almost no industry.

Things were tough for you.

And you surrendered - I cannot think of different reasons than things getting tough, as you started immediately another game.

T.

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ORIGINAL: Toidi

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Maybe Bobo has learnt from playing good people as his opponent should[;)]

Well, Robert surely did learn and his opening moves are good or even excellent. But when things gets tough, Robert gives up maybe a little bit too easily. He resigned the game with me on turn 13, he quit the game with you after the blizzard - I somehow doubt how much experience he has in '42 and later. So I would say that even if the beginning of this game looks very favourable to Robert, I think Marc can spring back to life in '42.

When you find poeple with allot or any 43+ exp let me know.

As can be seen by the 100+ AAR's there are very very few games that even get to 43. MT/Bomazz/Katza/Hoooper some of the best of the best (GHC or SHC) have 1 game into 43 I beleive and your looking at 100+ games just between the 4 of them.

The current game engine is sadly based 75+% on retreat losses and not on exp/morale/equipement ect, which is not historical. The attacker almost always lost more then defender. Hopefully witw/wite2 engine will not be as bad.

Turn 6

Viipuri will be soon liberated.

AGN

Around 10 Soviet divisions definitely cut off west of Leningrad. Leningrad defense was quickly reinforced and direct assault is not an option. Plan is to cross Neva east of Pavlovo and cut Leningrad from supplies.

Our recon sucks and OKH missed opportunity for huge pocket. There is huge group of Soviet units which sitting middle of nowhere and doing nothing. Too bad we didnt notice them sooner.

AGC

3. Panzer group is attacking north to force the huge Soviet group around Velikye Luki to retreat.
2. Panzer group is heading to Bryansk.

AGS

Soviets managed to cut entire 1. Panzer group from supplies. Even with lack of fuel, 1. Pazner group was able to wider the bridgehead.

Odessa fell to the first attack. 6 German and 1 Rumanian ID participated on this attack.

Turn 7

AGN
18.Armee have reduced the pocket. 4. Panzer group is finishing preparation for assault on Leningrad.

Soviets have started to move out forces from Velikye Luki salient. 3. Panzer group heading towards Moscow.

AGC

2. Panzer group have captured Bryansk. OKH is discussing further options. Continuing on Moscow or destroying huge Soviet forces around Kiev?

AGS

1. Panzer group with only limited fuel was not able to do any significant advance.

Marc has surrendered on turn 13. With Leningrad, Moscow, Stalino and Rostov taken, this was logical decision.

Huge Kiev pocket was created on turn 9. It took 4 turns to completely clear it.


Next few turns were just Panzers driving east.