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If it's a sin to kill a Mockingbird, it's a mortal sin to use P-38s to bomb.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

If it's a sin to kill a Mockingbird, it's a mortal sin to use P-38s to bomb.

If only we were allowed to arm them with torpedoes... I know it was tested in real life. I actually used to have a little die cast P-38 that had what were clearly two torpedoes under the wings (then again, a lot of die cast toys are inaccurate).

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Don't pure fighter types (F) need to be at 100 ft. altitude (strafing) to make an attack on an airfield or a ship or a ground unit, regardless of whether or not they carry bombs?

It's my understanding that a fighter bomber type (FB) can bomb from varying altuitudes, but a fighter can only attack non air targets from an altitude of 100 ft.

Can anyone correct me, or do I have it right?

Both fighters and FB set to 1,000 and lower always attack at 100 ft. Above, 1,000 they level bomb normally. I use late war fighters to bomb at about 6,000 with good results. Fly them low and they just get shot up.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

All you have to do is look at the aircraft display WHEN you have drop tanks selected and it shows what weapons it carries with the drop tanks. Some aircraft do still carry torpedoes, large bombs, etc. when also fitted with drop tanks, but other aircraft don't.

If you look at the display when you have selected no drop tanks then you see the weapons the plane carries when drop tanks are not fitted.

Yeah, but I can't think of any late war fighter that did not carry both tanks and ordinance at the same time. P38 included. And the original post is citing the p38.

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: witpqs

All you have to do is look at the aircraft display WHEN you have drop tanks selected and it shows what weapons it carries with the drop tanks. Some aircraft do still carry torpedoes, large bombs, etc. when also fitted with drop tanks, but other aircraft don't.

If you look at the display when you have selected no drop tanks then you see the weapons the plane carries when drop tanks are not fitted.

Yeah, but I can't think of any late war fighter that did not carry both tanks and ordinance at the same time. P38 included. And the original post is citing the p38.

The point is you don't have to work it out, you just have to look because the game tells you right there.

When I got home last night I did do the check. It shows that the P-38G, with drop tanks, still carries 2 x 500 pounders. So my original question holds - why am I not getting any hits? This is not a one-mission failure. I have been running many missions, from several different bases.

It depends on a lot of things. Just one of them is pilot skills. You could post a screen shot of the pilots in that squadron.

ORIGINAL: towers58

When I got home last night I did do the check. It shows that the P-38G, with drop tanks, still carries 2 x 500 pounders. So my original question holds - why am I not getting any hits? This is not a one-mission failure. I have been running many missions, from several different bases.

If you bomb from 6000ft or higher your fighter pilots need grd skill for bombing, if you bomb lower than 6000ft they need lowgrd for bombing. You got fighter pilots with such skill? [X(]

And give us the full details of the settings of your squadron. Exp, leadership, settings, range, height, morale, fatigue. One factor could be high fatigue. My understanding is that fatigue is accumulated during a mission not just lumped on the pilots at the end. So, if you are flying P38s at very long range to do a bombing mission then they are already at very high fatigue level when they reach the target. Not to mention that low level attacks by any plane other than attack bombers also adds more fatigue (I think this is the case but who knows if the fatigue is added before or after bombing...) So by the time your pilots are making their bomb runs they are already suffering from very high fatigue. Once again I do not know how the game works exactly but I would think high fatigue would effect bombing accuracy. This could be one of many reasons why you are not hitting.

You might have a problem or not. I suggest you try to run a few simple tests.

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: towers58

When I got home last night I did do the check. It shows that the P-38G, with drop tanks, still carries 2 x 500 pounders. So my original question holds - why am I not getting any hits? This is not a one-mission failure. I have been running many missions, from several different bases.

If you bomb from 6000ft or higher your fighter pilots need grd skill for bombing, if you bomb lower than 6000ft they need lowgrd for bombing. You got fighter pilots with such skill? [X(]

I don't think those numbers are true anymore, having changed at some point in the Betas. I need to double check before I post any numbers myself.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: towers58

When I got home last night I did do the check. It shows that the P-38G, with drop tanks, still carries 2 x 500 pounders. So my original question holds - why am I not getting any hits? This is not a one-mission failure. I have been running many missions, from several different bases.

If you bomb from 6000ft or higher your fighter pilots need grd skill for bombing, if you bomb lower than 6000ft they need lowgrd for bombing. You got fighter pilots with such skill? [X(]

I don't think those numbers are true anymore, having changed at some point in the Betas. I need to double check before I post any numbers myself.

I have not heard this. Let us know what you find out. I may have been misleading myself.

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: towers58

When I got home last night I did do the check. It shows that the P-38G, with drop tanks, still carries 2 x 500 pounders. So my original question holds - why am I not getting any hits? This is not a one-mission failure. I have been running many missions, from several different bases.

If you bomb from 6000ft or higher your fighter pilots need grd skill for bombing, if you bomb lower than 6000ft they need lowgrd for bombing. You got fighter pilots with such skill? [X(]

I don't think those numbers are true anymore, having changed at some point in the Betas. I need to double check before I post any numbers myself.

I am not familiar with the betas, am using the latest official patch so all my statements always base on the official patch.

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: castor troy




If you bomb from 6000ft or higher your fighter pilots need grd skill for bombing, if you bomb lower than 6000ft they need lowgrd for bombing. You got fighter pilots with such skill? [X(]

I don't think those numbers are true anymore, having changed at some point in the Betas. I need to double check before I post any numbers myself.

I am not familiar with the betas, am using the latest official patch so all my statements always base on the official patch.

I know the 6000 ft threshold for transitioning from "low" to "normal" was originally the case, but I suspect it has been changed since it seems you can only train "low" skils, either ground or naval at 1000 ft. When I train at 3000 ft. "low" skills don't gain, the normal ones do.

Castor,

Yes, I do have fighter pilots trained up to 70+ skill in low level bombing. I start a training squadron at the beginning of the war with an eye towards the P-38's down the road. In the past these ave been highly effective, including using drop tanks. I am now in a DaBabes scenario and this is the first time I have seen such ineffective missions.

I've been away from the game for a long time, so am not familiar with database changes anymore. But it might be possible your fighters have switched to using a new bomb type with very low accuracy or something. Perhaps they may even be dropping armor piercing bombs instead of high explosives now due to a database change made in the mod that never accounted for fighters used in HE bomb roles.

Jim