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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

You can be on the other side of the map from where your main supply areas should be and as noted above, you are not next to enemy units, your unit could get fully supplied and get full replacements [X(]. For example I easily ran a unit up to Riga in the AGN campaign and resupplied it along the way. Even when I was hexes away from any road.

Since the unit density is so low (too low imho) it is very easy to slip units through the front lines and run amuck behind the lines will no ill effect. Which kind of ruins the game for me so I really hope something is done to address this.

Personally I would love rail lines to be on the map and had to be repaired as in WitE. It just seems wrong to be playing on Eastern Front maps that have no railroads. Especially how critical they were in real life.

While I do like the low unit density, I think it is way too low and should be at least 50% higher than it is currently. So maybe that can be addressed as well.

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

What units should fill up the map? There often were just a handful of units behind the frontline. If you create a game at a divisional scale, the result is that there are fewer units on the map than on a closer to tactical scale. In WitE, the Soviets in 1941 also do not have nearly the kind of reserves they can muster in mid/late 1942 and beyond. It might seem like the unit density is high, but that might be due to the size of the map and HQ's and air bases being on-map units. Remove those, and the area behind the frontline is often empty.

When you get units behind enemy lines in GaW, in most cases you would've made a breakthrough and there would as such be a supply line. Although I can agree that it might look odd, situations where one of your units is driving around behind the frontline without any kind of connection to the rest of your units should be rare.

In most games, a line of supply or communication is a highly abstracted concept in any case (often just a number based on a calculation from how far a unit is from a supply unit or supply source).

Could it be more detailed? Certainly. Is the current supply system unusual for wargames of this complexity? No.

ORIGINAL: Ronald Wendt

Hello,


if both games depict divisions, and one has twice the hexes per area (GaW), units would be spread wider and be less dense. Even though we have smaller units in it, they usually are army/army group units that support a certain offense which were limited in numbers.

Regards,

ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Which is why as the scale got smaller in GaW from WitE more Regiments/Brigades should have been added versus keeping everything in divisions. A division had a frontage of about 10k iirc. So a division at the scale of GaW should be spread over two hexes instead of still being in one. This would make things in GaW work far better and more realisticly than they do now for both sides.

So far this is the biggest flaw in the game to me (along with the ridiculous movement rate of AC). The scale doubled from WitE but the unit density stayed the same. So that there is no reason to attack except the VP hexes since you can get through the lines without any problem. I have stopped playing the campaigns because of this. The scenario's seem much better in this regard. But as I bought the mainly for the campaigns, that does not do much for me.

Your earlier post about not having to attack every unit in WitE to break through the lines is correct. But even in GaW you should have to at least attack SOMETHING to be able to do the same thing. The fact that you can just drive on by and wave is very ahistorical to say the least. So I am REALLY hopeful this gets addressed soon in a patch. Especially since I (and likely others) were hoping for a PC in a real historical setting. You have 2 out of three, historical maps and PC mechanics. Now if you can get a better historical behavior for how you need to attack units not in VP hexes and no resupply anywhere you want, we will be good [:)]

ORIGINAL: produit
Finally, the game crashed some 10 times in 10 hours of play, mostly when I am going into the objectives or army screen. Hoping that patches will solve this.

Which is why as the scale got smaller in GaW from WitE more Regiments/Brigades should have been added versus keeping everything in divisions. A division had a frontage of about 10k iirc. So a division at the scale of GaW should be spread over two hexes instead of still being in one. This would make things in GaW work far better and more realisticly than they do now for both sides.

So far this is the biggest flaw in the game to me (along with the ridiculous movement rate of AC). The scale doubled from WitE but the unit density stayed the same. So that there is no reason to attack except the VP hexes since you can get through the lines without any problem. I have stopped playing the campaigns because of this. The scenario's seem much better in this regard. But as I bought the mainly for the campaigns, that does not do much for me.

Your earlier post about not having to attack every unit in WitE to break through the lines is correct. But even in GaW you should have to at least attack SOMETHING to be able to do the same thing. The fact that you can just drive on by and wave is very ahistorical to say the least. So I am REALLY hopeful this gets addressed soon in a patch. Especially since I (and likely others) were hoping for a PC in a real historical setting. You have 2 out of three, historical maps and PC mechanics. Now if you can get a better historical behavior for how you need to attack units not in VP hexes and no resupply anywhere you want, we will be good

Again not to pick on this poster but really now... What do you expect ? Whole panzer divisions that have only one panzer type? Sounds like PC to me. While I have only played three sen. In this I am TOTALY turned off by the unrealistic feel of this game. Sure the units have names. Big deal!!!

ORIGINAL: Numdydar
Which is why as the scale got smaller in GaW from WitE more Regiments/Brigades should have been added versus keeping everything in divisions. A division had a frontage of about 10k iirc. So a division at the scale of GaW should be spread over two hexes instead of still being in one. This would make things in GaW work far better and more realisticly than they do now for both sides.

ORIGINAL: rogo727
Again not to pick on this poster but really now... What do you expect ? Whole panzer divisions that have only one panzer type? Sounds like PC to me. While I have only played three sen. In this I am TOTALY turned off by the unrealistic feel of this game. Sure the units have names. Big deal!!!

ORIGINAL: produit
Finally, the game crashed some 10 times in 10 hours of play, mostly when I am going into the objectives or army screen. Hoping that patches will solve this.