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RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:48 pm
by bo
Sorry about that minor interuption by crussdaddy he means well [;)]
Lets look at the German unit again as the colored circles have changed again.
1- the green one has turned to gray indicating there is no more movement available for that unit.
2-The orange circle will remain until either von Bock sends in supplies or the turn [2month period] ends.
3 Now we have a new circle on the top left which indicates that this unit has been in combat.
The next screen will be combination attacks on tha Polish unit.
Bo
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:52 pm
by CrusssDaddy
ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
What exactly is being demonstrated here? You're not trying to win... okay, but you can at least show the game in action. Wacky set-up, air factors ignored, reckless assaults -- why not just play as if you were actually playing? Someone visiting to consider a purchase may be discouraged seeing the Germans flounder badly amid the opening salvo.
Aw shucks cruss I am just a newbie too like others here, but I am glad you are paying attention that is the most important thing for me.
Bo
You're not a newbie, you state earlier that you know a 3:2 attack is poor form, particularly in a Sept. '39 context. Why not demonstrate how you actually play the game? This is a perfect opportunity to show how ground strike differs from adding tac air factors to an attack. Or overrun results when a land unit encounters enemy ships in harbor. I think you declined to move altogether? This makes no sense.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:00 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
What exactly is being demonstrated here? You're not trying to win... okay, but you can at least show the game in action. Wacky set-up, air factors ignored, reckless assaults -- why not just play as if you were actually playing? Someone visiting to consider a purchase may be discouraged seeing the Germans flounder badly amid the opening salvo.
Now cruss you have me so upset I had to take a larazapan and I will probably have to call it a night [:@]
Bo
Aw shucks cruss I am just a newbie too like others here, but I am glad you are paying attention that is the most important thing for me.
Bo
You're not a newbie, you state earlier that you know a 3:2 attack is poor form, particularly in a Sept. '39 context. Why not demonstrate how you actually play the game? This is a perfect opportunity to show how ground strike differs from adding tac air factors to an attack. Or overrun results when a land unit encounters enemy ships in harbor. I think you declined to move altogether? This makes no sense.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:07 pm
by composer99
Boring troll is boring.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:12 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: composer99
Boring troll is boring.
Be nice composer you might be like him someday if you keep losing at MWIF like he probably did, ooops I mean WIF, sorry.
Bo
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:13 pm
by CrusssDaddy
ORIGINAL: composer99
Boring troll is boring.
Can you tell me the value of a pre-release AAR that does not demonstrate how the game is played?
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:35 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: bo
After a certain comment of a person who shall remain nameless for this post I guess I have to explain my feelings in the way that I am attempting to inform everyone how this game can look. I have never played anyone yet and IMHO for me to race through a game that sits in front of me and not the other posters I chose to do it this way right or wrong.
I felt and maybe wrongly so, you all could let me know if you do not like what I am doing and if thats the case I will end it now and go back and annoy Steve in the beta forums.[;)]
My goal was to show new people and experienced people who have not seen the computer version how some of the combat situations may play out, I felt using the Poland scenario is the best way for me to reach out to the forum people and let them see the possibilities and probabilities that can happen in this game.
If I raced ahead with Fall Gelb [the attack on France] I feel I might lose you and also myself, I never appreciated what Red Prince went through when he did Barbarossa some 2 years ago he was the pioneer in the AAR's on this forum and if I could do half as good as he did I will be very happy NUF said.
The picture below would be the start of von Bock issuing new orders to several combat units to assist each other against that same Polish corp and possible interdiction of the Luftwaffen assisting in ground support.
Bo
Combat-Poland
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:58 pm
by Easo79
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
Can you tell me the value of a pre-release AAR that does not demonstrate how the game is played?
I am learning a lot, and that is the reason why I am here. I find the posts very didactic, full of information but not overwhelming to the non-initiated. But of course I would also like to read any specific advice you could add.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:01 pm
by Easo79
ORIGINAL: bo
After a certain comment of a person who shall remain nameless for this post I guess I have to explain my feelings in the way that I am attempting to inform everyone how this game can look. I have never played anyone yet and IMHO for me to race through a game that sits in front of me and not the other posters I chose to do it this way right or wrong.
I felt and maybe wrongly so, you all could let me know if you do not like what I am doing and if thats the case I will end it now and go back and annoy Steve in the beta forums.[;)]
My goal was to show new people and experienced people who have not seen the computer version how some of the combat situations may play out, I felt using the Poland scenario is the best way for me to reach out to the forum people and let them see the possibilities and probabilities that can happen in this game.
If I raced ahead with Fall Gelb [the attack on France] I feel I might lose you and also myself, I never appreciated what Red Prince went through when he did Barbarossa some 2 years ago he was the pioneer in the AAR's on this forum and if I could do half as good as he did I will be very happy NUF said.
The picture below would be the start of von Bock issuing new orders to several combat units to assist each other against that same Polish corp and possible interdiction of the Luftwaffen assisting in ground support.
Bo
Bo, you know I am a non-entity if WiF terms, but I do appreciate what you are doing. I like it a lot.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:02 am
by Missouri_Rebel
Nah. I like what you are doing. especially some of the less focused on screens you have included. Not everyone would have the foresight to put up both the Land Combat Selection and Combat Charts.
Keep up the hard work. It takes quite an effort to post an AAR.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:10 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
What exactly is being demonstrated here? You're not trying to win... okay, but you can at least show the game in action. Wacky set-up, air factors ignored, reckless assaults -- why not just play as if you were actually playing? Someone visiting to consider a purchase may be discouraged seeing the Germans flounder badly amid the opening salvo.
To "show the game in action" is being demonstrated. The amount of information Bo is communicating to someone who has never played WIF before is enormous. You've been playing CWIF for years (or so you claimed) so most of this is probably well known to you. Showing an MWIF land attack, ANY MWIF land attack, is very useful to someone who has never seen one before.
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Positioning all the units expertly and using them with the expertise of an expert is of interest to other experts, but that entire exercise is mostly lost on someone who has never played. It also increases the difficulty of writing the AAR.
Anyway, you would just complain about the poor defense if the attacks went in too well, or the poor attacks if they failed, or the die rolls, or something. When was the last time you told anyone that they had done something good or nice?
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:14 am
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
What exactly is being demonstrated here? You're not trying to win... okay, but you can at least show the game in action. Wacky set-up, air factors ignored, reckless assaults -- why not just play as if you were actually playing? Someone visiting to consider a purchase may be discouraged seeing the Germans flounder badly amid the opening salvo.
Aw shucks cruss I am just a newbie too like others here, but I am glad you are paying attention that is the most important thing for me.
Bo
You're not a newbie, you state earlier that you know a 3:2 attack is poor form, particularly in a Sept. '39 context. Why not demonstrate how you actually play the game? This is a perfect opportunity to show how ground strike differs from adding tac air factors to an attack. Or overrun results when a land unit encounters enemy ships in harbor. I think you declined to move altogether? This makes no sense.
TO say nothing about the US entry chits, or the effects on production, or the different optional rules that he could have used, or the difference between attacking Poland versus France, or why a paradrop and invasion would be different, or how the Japanese attacks on China are different, or, ...
I could add another thousand items that Bo hasn't mentioned yet in his AAR. Why don't you write down a complete list for us? Then I could tell you all the ways you did it wrong.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:20 am
by Klydon
Nice work on this Bo. Keep it up.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:27 am
by bo
ORIGINAL: Klydon
Nice work on this Bo. Keep it up.
Thank you Klydon I needed that. I hope Orm is not dissuaded by cruss, because he is way stronger than I am on this subject besides being a good friend of mine. Hmmm never met Orm in person, oh god not another catfish story [:-]
Bo
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:32 am
by CrusssDaddy
This report is akin to, "Hello welcome to our look at this new 2014 model BMW. We're going to begin by driving it into a curb..."
I'll tell you what would be interesting: a peek at something new. Global War, Barbarossa and Guadalcanal can be played on CWiF and Fascist Tide simply replicates the opening of Global War. Been there, done that. How about one of the more interesting scenarios that are exclusive to MWiF? Darkness Before the Dawn and Decline and Fall offer play of a variety that is virtually unseen thus far for WiF on a computer -- I rarely make it that far into a game in solo play. Run D-Day from Decline, or Pearl from Waking Giant even.
"General Goofy Invades Poland" is not a compelling demonstration of the potential enjoyment to be had from this game.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:32 am
by bo
Now lets back up a few days here and go back to von Bocks headquarters and question him on his decsion to attack that Polish unit with one German corp. He said he had too much Schnapps the night before, so he switched to Budweiser because he could drink them all night [centuur ] and he would be fine in the morning.. Enough levity this is serious business.
von Bock issued new orders, he ordered his 3 corps located west and south west of the Polish calvary unit in the woods to crush this brave but outgunned calvary unit and then he issued orders to the 4 German corps next to the Polish 4-4 corp located in the woods to destroy them with rancor and malice. A new wrinkle has been added to the attack against the Polish 4-4 unit in the woods besides his 3 infantry corps he unleashed the VIII mech unit 7-6 indentified by the oval inside a oblong box with an X thru it. The difference in speed is dramatic the Mech unit can travel appx. 180 km more in one move than the infantry can.
Now this is blitzkrieg even without the Panzers who are waiting north of Warsaw and near the Vistula river. They wont be waiting long. Also von Bock did not want to take any chances in this initial attack and sent orders to the Luftwaffe to unleash the Stukas north west of his headquarters. The Stuka squardron
the Ju 87B with a air to ground attack of [5] he then orderd the 2 level bomber squadrons the Do 17z and the He III h to join in the attack both with air to ground attack values of 3. The difference in the attack powers IMO is the ability of the Stuka to dive at such a steep angle to the target that it almost cant miss while the medium bombers are dropping their ordanance [bombs] from 10,000 feet and higher.
You will notice the attack arrows pointing at the 2 Polish corps, they are moving but there also being cautious waiting for the arrival of the German air power. They wont have to wait long. Now you might notice that the Polish calvary unit is being attacked by 3 strong German corps but you see 4 units near the Polish calvary unit, why not attack with the 4th unit? The 4th unit is von Bocks headquarters and he does do not want to risk even a slight set back. If von Bocks headquarters gets damaged or it becomes disorganized in the fighting it cannot supply the 7 attacking corps and reorganize these important units.
The Luftwaffe is almost here wont be long now.
Bo
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:34 am
by CrusssDaddy
ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
ORIGINAL: bo
Aw shucks cruss I am just a newbie too like others here, but I am glad you are paying attention that is the most important thing for me.
Bo
You're not a newbie, you state earlier that you know a 3:2 attack is poor form, particularly in a Sept. '39 context. Why not demonstrate how you actually play the game? This is a perfect opportunity to show how ground strike differs from adding tac air factors to an attack. Or overrun results when a land unit encounters enemy ships in harbor. I think you declined to move altogether? This makes no sense.
TO say nothing about the US entry chits, or the effects on production, or the different optional rules that he could have used, or the difference between attacking Poland versus France, or why a paradrop and invasion would be different, or how the Japanese attacks on China are different, or, ...
I could add another thousand items that Bo hasn't mentioned yet in his AAR. Why don't you write down a complete list for us? Then I could tell you all the ways you did it wrong.
He chose the Fascist Tide scenario. You cannot demonstrate any of the things you just listed with that scenario. Unless you have debug mode, but you already revealed you destroyed that
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:37 am
by Missouri_Rebel
Hey bo. I'd like to see a supply path screen. Any chance of showing one of those?
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:40 am
by CrusssDaddy
Bo, when you take the Polish turn have that 5-3 whitey in the south gobble up Vienna or Bratislava. I assume they are undefended.
RE: Poland Sept 1st 1939-Blitzkrieg
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:43 am
by composer99
Keep up the good work, bo.