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ORIGINAL: Sunburn

ORIGINAL: Fleming
Your trailer you did in Youtube?
You really need the link? [X(]
tm.asp?m=3417579
(you did know there was a trailer for this game, right [;)])

I did, but I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same video.

No extras on that one either, all stock map layers.

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

We are not disagreeing with you on what things look like at full zoom but most scenarios don't require it or would be awkward to play that way. What you see in our movies and screenshots is the real deal.

Mike

ORIGINAL: phoenix

That's what this guy keeps asking - am I doing something wrong with my settings? I think I know the answer. The levels I'm zooming in to are not extreme at all. Please don't be misleading, Primarchx. They're where you need to be to distinguish different groups of objects (planes, for example). Especially when there's some action.

I posted examples of the Malvinas coastline with relief layers enabled (there's one below in case you missed them) - it's not an issue with relief layers. I would like an answer as to whether that's what it's meant to look like so that if it's not I can figure out what I'm doing wrong.





And if I'm not doing anything wrong - then what on earth is that mess in the image above? It has to be one of the worst graphics I've seen in this type of game. You cannot actually make out where the coastline is.

ORIGINAL: Primarchx
I also recall that the Devs have poured substantial time in MANUALLY cleaning up important bits of coastline where their open source data doesn't match up correctly. Can you imagine how tedious and time consuming that is?

ORIGINAL: Ramses

ORIGINAL: Primarchx
I also recall that the Devs have poured substantial time in MANUALLY cleaning up important bits of coastline where their open source data doesn't match up correctly. Can you imagine how tedious and time consuming that is?

What does this fact have to do with the question of OP? IMHO he is at least entitled to an honest answer, especially after coughing up the dough to play the game.

I am really interested in the game, but I have a feeling that you guys are not completely open if the game is critiqued in any form whatsoever.

ORIGINAL: Ramses

ORIGINAL: Primarchx
I also recall that the Devs have poured substantial time in MANUALLY cleaning up important bits of coastline where their open source data doesn't match up correctly. Can you imagine how tedious and time consuming that is?

What does this fact have to do with the question of OP? IMHO he is at least entitled to an honest answer, especially after coughing up the dough to play the game.

I am really interested in the game, but I have a feeling that you guys are not completely open if the game is critiqued in any form whatsoever.

ORIGINAL: phoenix

unprecedented terrain detail , jpkoester, is their interpretation of what the SRTM delivers, in that case.

is this unprecedented terrain detail? I ask you?

if I was told repeatedly, repeatedly given the impression that the graphics contained an unprecedented terrain detail, then got the image above, then I might feel cheated a little, I think. Oh...that is what I'm feeling...

ORIGINAL: jpkoester1

From http://www.warfaresims.com/?cat=126

Detailed terrain: Command uses as its base terrain reference the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM) dataset. This digital terrain model features a base resolution of 3 arc-seconds (~900m/cell at the equator), thus allowing for unprecedented terrain detail benefiting air, naval and land operations alike (LOS now actually matters). (I think this refers to the relief layer.)

AND

Command’s built-in map layers include a global “Blue Marble NG” tileset and a custom relief layer derived from our terrain elevation data. Pretty as they are, their true value lies in their tactical utility: Depth and elevation can be some of your best allies if you understand and use them properly, or your worst enemies if you ignore them. (Blue Marble NG has AFAIK a resultion of 500m and is the tileset used as standard)

Anyways, that's what's in the description of the game, and that's what's delivered (+ the possibility of adding custom overlays).

Surface area of the earth is approximately 510.072.000 square kilometers. At 500m resolution each square kilometer has on average 4 data points, that's about 2 billion data points total. Let's assume you want to take that down to 10m resolution. In that case 1 square kilometer would be 10.000 data points. That would be 5.100.720.000.000 data points or about 5 Terabyte of data (assuming 1 bype per data point and no compression). Even at 100m resulution you end up with ~51 billion data points (Again at 1 byte per data point that's 51 Gigabyte). I am sure you get the idea as to why that's impossible to include...

Cheers,
JP


Edit: someone correct me if my math is totally wrong
Edit2: Of course I know this could be compressed, but even if we assume everyone has large enough harddrives and enough bandwidth for the download it would still be a huge problem to get the hands on the data in the first place. Companies like google spend millions (if not billions) on generating data like that.

ORIGINAL: jpkoester1

show me one other game that models the whole globe and that offers this kind of detail...

Regards,
JP