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RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:13 pm
by WarHunter
ORIGINAL: warspite1
WarHunter here are two more:
These are the other two elements of the 22nd Air Flotilla at the time of the sinking of Force Z. I got the names yesterday from a webiste, but unlike Maeda, I could not independently verify. Gilbert on the WITP-AE forum did so this morning and he knows tons so I am happy its right.
On the counter it will be:
Kondo Mihoro NAG
Fujiyoshi Kanoya NAG
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:48 pm
by Dabrion
No Fushida on the Kaga?
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:00 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
No Fushida on the Kaga?
warspite1
I thought Fuchida was on the Akagi?
WarHunter wants to add higher level commanders so yes we could have a Fuchida counter. What aircraft should he be assigned to?
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:23 pm
by Dabrion
Akagi during Midway (but not as an aviator). Kaga during PH afaik.
Not sure about the a/c, guess a Kate would fit.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:31 pm
by WarHunter
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Akagi during Midway (but not as an aviator). Kaga during PH afaik.
Not sure about the a/c, guess a Kate would fit.
I'll take that as a sugggestion for B5N2 Fushida CD1 He is a great choice for known historical personality to include.
Thanks for the addition. We have over 1k more to rename. Keep them coming. [:D]
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:32 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Akagi during Midway (but not as an aviator). Kaga during PH afaik.
warspite1
Can you confirm the source for that - I cannot find anything definitive - just one website that says Akagi. It would make sense for him to be on the Flagship no?
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:32 pm
by paulderynck
Or a Val (Aichi D3A, Type 99) if a Dive Bomber.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:36 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: WarHunter
ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Akagi during Midway (but not as an aviator). Kaga during PH afaik.
Not sure about the a/c, guess a Kate would fit.
I'll take that as a sugggestion for B5N2 Fushida CD1 He is a great choice for known historical personality to include.
Thanks for the addition. We have over 1k more to rename. Keep them coming. [:D]
warspite1
GOT IT!
It was the Akagi and he flew in a
Kate as an observer.
EDIT: Sorry source was Osprey
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:53 pm
by Dabrion
Not sure about the carrier. Read his book a while ago and remember the Kaga.. Flagship would make more sense though! You are probably right.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:55 pm
by warspite1
There's only one way to get a definitive, 100% factual answer. I'll watch Pearl Harbor tonight and let you know.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:58 pm
by WarHunter
ORIGINAL: warspite1
There's only one way to get a definitive, 100% factual answer. I'll watch Pearl Harbor tonight and let you know.
We all know exactly what you will be watching.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:05 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: WarHunter
ORIGINAL: warspite1
There's only one way to get a definitive, 100% factual answer. I'll watch Pearl Harbor tonight and let you know.
We all know exactly what you will be watching.
warspite1
For the avoidance of doubt I wish to confirm that was a joke. I would have more chance of finding out what took place on December 7th 1941 if I watched Barney The Dinosaur [8|]
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:48 am
by Greyshaft
Barney the Dinosaur? Dang it all now I remember that he spoke with a funny accent. So he was the spy after all ... I had always thought it was Colonel Mustard in the library with the atomic bomb.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:31 pm
by paulderynck
No it was Dr. Pepper in the garden with the rubber hose. Then they talked...
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:26 pm
by Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: warspite1
So just to be clear - these changes DEFINITELY do not give the games problems (it really doesn't need anymore)?
The air unit names are used to determine lend lease groups. There are a maximum of 70 lend lease groups (the actual number is probably far less). But the first 8 in the list are special since there are alternative names, as shown below.
Besides the first 8, if you change the name of any of the lend lease air units, or their matching LENT air units (from the source country), then the program will not be able to identify them as being members of the same lend lease group. Basically the names are used to determine which units belong to a lend lease group. See page 203 of the Players Manual volume 2 too. The last data field for air units is the source country striped/lend leased air units' source country. The names of the air units tie all the members of a group together.
---
// ****************************************************************************
procedure TUnitTable.BuildLendLeaseGroups;
// ****************************************************************************
// Define the air unit lend lease groups.
// ****************************************************************************
var
AU: TAirUnit;
UnitIndex: Integer; // Index into Units
LLGroupIndex: Integer; // Index into LendLeaseGroupNames
Unique: Boolean; // Whether a lend lease air unit has a unique name
ASWType: Boolean; // Whether the air unit is a subhunter or not
Found: Boolean; // Used in search for lend lease name
begin
LendLeaseGroupNames[1] := rsBF109E2;
LendLeaseGroupNames[2] := rsFW190D2;
LendLeaseGroupNames[3] := rsC47Skytrain;
LendLeaseGroupNames[4] := rsA20ABostonI;
LendLeaseGroupNames[5] := rsP36AMohawk;
LendLeaseGroupNames[6] := rsP40CTomahawk;
LendLeaseGroupNames[7] := rsP40EKittyhawk;
LendLeaseGroupNames[8] := rsP40FKittyhawk;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[1] := rsBF109E2Emil; // 1st 8 have alternative names
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[2] := rsFW190;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[3] := rsC47Dakota;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[4] := rsDB7BostonI;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[5] := rsP36AHawk75A;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[6] := rsP40CHawk81A;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[7] := rsP40EHawk87C;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[8] := rsP40FHawk87D;
LendLeaseGroupCount := 8;
---
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:29 pm
by WarHunter
ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
ORIGINAL: warspite1
So just to be clear - these changes DEFINITELY do not give the games problems (it really doesn't need anymore)?
The air unit names are used to determine lend lease groups. There are a maximum of 70 lend lease groups (the actual number is probably far less). But the first 8 in the list are special since there are alternative names, as shown below.
Besides the first 8, if you change the name of any of the lend lease air units, or their matching LENT air units (from the source country), then the program will not be able to identify them as being members of the same lend lease group. Basically the names are used to determine which units belong to a lend lease group. See page 203 of the Players Manual volume 2 too. The last data field for air units is the source country striped/lend leased air units' source country. The names of the air units tie all the members of a group together.
---
// ****************************************************************************
procedure TUnitTable.BuildLendLeaseGroups;
// ****************************************************************************
// Define the air unit lend lease groups.
// ****************************************************************************
var
AU: TAirUnit;
UnitIndex: Integer; // Index into Units
LLGroupIndex: Integer; // Index into LendLeaseGroupNames
Unique: Boolean; // Whether a lend lease air unit has a unique name
ASWType: Boolean; // Whether the air unit is a subhunter or not
Found: Boolean; // Used in search for lend lease name
begin
LendLeaseGroupNames[1] := rsBF109E2;
LendLeaseGroupNames[2] := rsFW190D2;
LendLeaseGroupNames[3] := rsC47Skytrain;
LendLeaseGroupNames[4] := rsA20ABostonI;
LendLeaseGroupNames[5] := rsP36AMohawk;
LendLeaseGroupNames[6] := rsP40CTomahawk;
LendLeaseGroupNames[7] := rsP40EKittyhawk;
LendLeaseGroupNames[8] := rsP40FKittyhawk;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[1] := rsBF109E2Emil; // 1st 8 have alternative names
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[2] := rsFW190;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[3] := rsC47Dakota;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[4] := rsDB7BostonI;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[5] := rsP36AHawk75A;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[6] := rsP40CHawk81A;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[7] := rsP40EHawk87C;
AltLendLeaseGroupNames[8] := rsP40FHawk87D;
LendLeaseGroupCount := 8;
---
What is a way to identify the Lend Lease aircraft units in the excel file?
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:48 pm
by WarHunter
I can identify lend lease aircraft in game using the 1943 and 1944 scenarios. Any aircraft that might be possible for dates of 1945 and later for the allies and 1944 or later for the axis are unknown so far.
Does the excel file have an identifier that makes finding them quicker? If only to avoid renaming them.
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:53 pm
by Guzz
War Hunter, I'd like to see the Japanese air units with their allied code names on them.
Val, Kate, Zeke etc.
Is that something you could do please?
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:50 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Guzz
War Hunter, I'd like to see the Japanese air units with their allied code names on them.
Val, Kate, Zeke etc.
Is that something you could do please?
warspite1
Guzz - like it [:)]
BTW it seems from what Steve says that changing the names may affect the game - best to steer clear [:(]
RE: Renaming Air Counters
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:12 pm
by Guzz
Fingers crossed WarHunter can get a workaround up and running.
I think the Jap codenames would add a real feel for their units.