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ORIGINAL: **budd**

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


My point being: Most of the people here wouldn't have been people here in the 1500s. Whether they were infant or child mortality, most 40+ YOs currently here wouldn't have been here. Full stop. That's my point.

Huh? [&:]

Mortality rate higher and life expectancy lower.

Another question... if you could pick a time to live in which would it be? I think i'd like to see my country a bit after discovery. Maybe Lewis & Clark & Budd[:D]

warspite1

I think that could depend to a large degree on what position you had in society [:)]

probably if thats where you chose to hang your hat,society that is, me& lewis & clark are in the wild[;)]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Of course not. Not because of computers directly, but because the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of people in the western world don't do manual labour like farming anymore. Nobody actually knows how to do anything useful to survival.

Guess that means I would be one of the popular guys then as my time in the scouts taught me how to manage in the wild with nothing but a knife, and my archeology classes thought me how to make flint tools : )
Ofc swimming to Denmark to get said flint might be a hassle though...

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I follow the math. Don't correct me over picayune misinterpretations.

My point being: Most of the people here wouldn't have been people here in the 1500s. Whether they were infant or child mortality, most 40+ YOs currently here wouldn't have been here. Full stop. That's my point.

So the age of death is a trivial matter eh? You say you follow the math but you talk as if you did not follow it at all [;)]

People did not drop dead at 40. Full stop... And Period.

Some people just can't accept they might be wrong [8|]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I follow the math. Don't correct me over picayune misinterpretations.

My point being: Most of the people here wouldn't have been people here in the 1500s. Whether they were infant or child mortality, most 40+ YOs currently here wouldn't have been here. Full stop. That's my point.

So the age of death is a trivial matter eh? You say you follow the math but you talk as if you did not follow it at all [;)]

People did not drop dead at 40. Full stop... And Period.

Some people just can't accept they might be wrong [8|]

warspite1

Really? No one died at 40? Wow [X(].... sorry, just being picayune [:D]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Really? No one died at 40? Wow [X(].... sorry, just being picayune [:D]

The Legionnaires example should ring you a bell... If most of +40 year old people would not have been *here* then this means the Legion was keeping in the ranks totally decrepit people, poor souls with one foot and a half in the coffin. Weird, don't you think?

The problem is the first let's say 10 years! That's where the Angel of Death is doing his "harvest". But if you survive that age, you're not one of those printers designed to fail aka obsolescence [:D]

I was born in 1971. I was lucky enough to have two older brothers with great imaginations. The oldest was into science and technical stuff, the next loved history and J.R.R. Tolkein, so I was exposed to a broad range of influences. Also, my Dad was very keen on history, liked talking about it and encouraged us to watch documentaries.

During long Summer holidays my brothers would invent a theme and all the local kids would participate. One year it was the spy club and we would use lemon juice to write messages in invisible ink etc. Next year it would be the Roman Army and we made shields and weapons and drilled with them and staged battles. We were eager foot-soldiers in whatever they were doing.

We were lucky to live near the southern edge of town. All the houses in our street were arranged around a large park. In Summer we played cricket and in Winter we played Australian Football. The bush started just behind our house and we spent countless hours in it, exploring, building forts and generally feuding with rival kids (often the Mungala Crescent gang [:D])

I constructed heaps of model aircraft and hung them from fishing line in my bedroom. I read voraciously (The Lord of the Rings when I was eight [;)]). We played Dungeons and Dragons. We camped. It was great. Personal computers were an expensive dream early on but my best friend was an only child and he was pretty spoilt. His parents bought him an Atari 2600 when they were new and then many cartridges. The fun we had on that was incredible. Space Invaders, River Raid, Pitfall...

When I was in my last year of primary school, there was one computer, a BBC micro, at the back of the class. I taught myself to program on it. When I was about 15, I was doing quite well at school and Mum and Dad decided to buy me a computer. I requested an Amstrad CPC6128, which came with a built in disk drive, colour monitor and a mind-numbing 128Kb of RAM. It had a much better BASIC than the Commodore 64 and the drive worked in seconds, whereas the C64's was the size of a Winnebago and took minutes to do anything.

I programmed that thing into the ground. I wrote graphics packages that used speech synthesiser software. I wrote programs to keep track of sport with all sorts of graphs and prediction functions. My crowning glory was a Where Eagles Dare inspired illustrated text adventure game where I used DATA statements to encode the graphics for objects you could collect, like an MP-40 sub-machine gun, and had a random landscape or room picture generator that constructed everything from triangles.

That said, I'd really miss a world without fast PCs and the internet. Wargaming and keeping up with science and technology is a big part of my life now.

Cheers, Neilster

The mighty CPC6128, playing The Sentinel...great game...I had that one...10,000 levels in 42Kb of RAM!

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Really? No one died at 40? Wow [X(].... sorry, just being picayune [:D]

The Legionnaires example should ring you a bell... If most of +40 year old people would not have been *here* then this means the Legion was keeping in the ranks totally decrepit people, poor souls with one foot and a half in the coffin. Weird, don't you think?

The problem is the first let's say 10 years! That's where the Angel of Death is doing his "harvest". But if you survive that age, you're not one of those printers designed to fail aka obsolescence [:D]

warspite1

Yes I fully understand the point - I was practising my new found word of the day [:)]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Yes I fully understand the point - I was practising my new found word of the day [:)]

I have learned a new word here too. Merriam Webster online is my friend [:)]

It is true that before computers, games involved social interaction and a lot of imagination: playing with your mates in the street etc. etc.

Computers have sort of isolated us, I guess. I'm not counting the online interaction (ie these or other forums) as genuine interaction.

I was born in 1952. I had a wonderful childhood. We were poor in the West European and North American sense. That is we had very little disposable income. However there was always food and shelter. My Dad made me a lot of my toys when I was young.

Initially there was no TV or car. We ate our dinner on an old card table. But there was a lot of love and happiness in the home. My Dad worked, eventually my Mom worked too. We were able to afford items like a refrigerator, a washing machine etc.

Children had more freedom then. We would do all sorts of things and have adventures here and there, by ourselves, like little explorers. By what I see today that does not happen. Communities were different. People knew one another more. Trusted one another more. Proper manners and behaviour were expected and rewarded.

It was far from perfect but it was more like life. Technology matters much, much less than happiness, whatever age we live in.

The lack of computers, TV , radios, instant gratifications of our electronics, I believe would effect us much less than we can image. Its the little things that likely we would eventually find intolerable. Wake up in the morning with death breath? No mouth wash... Hangover, migraines?, not much there ( except more alcholal). Have acid reflux?, no rolaids or antacids. A tooth goes gamey? The knowledge that all can be done is a horse leach jerking it out w a plier, no root canal or cap to replace it...
get a hernia? no quick day surgery to fix, the rest of your days hobbling around and wearing a leather jock strap... Feel horribly greesy? Not all that easy to hop in the shower. The list goes on.
I have no doudt people pre-modern era were not only tougher physically but mentally as well. Even the toughest of us would probobly seem quite effete.

On the flip side, nites out whoring appears to have been much more socially acceptable !

one thing about living in pre-industrial era world would be how relatively quiet it would be.
In an episode of twilight zone a scientist uses a time machine to bring someone from the old west to the present.
When he kills the scientist and reaches the streets of the city he is nearly paralyzed by the din.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I follow the math. Don't correct me over picayune misinterpretations.

My point being: Most of the people here wouldn't have been people here in the 1500s. Whether they were infant or child mortality, most 40+ YOs currently here wouldn't have been here. Full stop. That's my point.

So the age of death is a trivial matter eh? You say you follow the math but you talk as if you did not follow it at all [;)]

People did not drop dead at 40. Full stop... And Period.

Some people just can't accept they might be wrong [8|]

warspite1

Really? No one died at 40? Wow [X(].... sorry, just being picayune [:D]

Nice one, warspite1. Clearly he doesn't know when he's wrong. [:D]

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

one thing about living in pre-industrial era world would be how relatively quiet it would be.
In an episode of twilight zone a scientist uses a time machine to bring someone from the old west to the present.
When he kills the scientist and reaches the streets of the city he is nearly paralyzed by the din.

That a good point, pre gunpowder likely the loudest manmade noise people would hear would be the church bells a ringin.

I wouldn't want to live in any other time than nowadays, but that's got nothing to do with computers or computergames, more with standard-of-living, a relatively peaceful era, medicine standards and all that
 
In pre-compter days, kids went out playing football, riding bikes, do this and that. Nowadays, they hang around in their room in front of the computer, day in day out, be it rainy or bright sunshine - and become fat and lazy.
 
I confess I am prejudiced [:D]

I noticed the change in children playing in the streets and schoolyards. There is no longer laughter in the air only silence. I rarely see anyone riding a bicycle anymore. But, phones in ones ear and the Mall are as common as dirt.

Food industries everywhere you look side by side "welcome to McDonalds" they say as you walk in. I worked at McDonalds as a kid and we never said that junk. In fact false courtesy really turns me off nowadays. I hate that chit. Don't be polite to me if you really don't give a dam and are just doing it for a paycheck. Back in my day (I love saying that now and hated it when I was a kid) we meant the courtesy we gave to customers. You ask some kid nowadays a question about a product and they start reading the labels or say "I dunno".

It would seem nobody takes pride in thier jobs anymore and learn the products (without reading the dam label when they are asked each time) I'm glad I'm almost done myself. I might have liked living in an earlier time, but, since the computer age people are different.

Even online I meet more jerks than I ever did in face to face life. Lot of know it alls for one thing, wow, never seen so many. I do think computers have changed the social nature of people. I mean look at us here, would you give so much information to a stranger in real life face to face? People speak so freely (as much as Matrix will allow and other sites) it's scary sometimes.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus



So the age of death is a trivial matter eh? You say you follow the math but you talk as if you did not follow it at all [;)]

People did not drop dead at 40. Full stop... And Period.

Some people just can't accept they might be wrong [8|]

warspite1

Really? No one died at 40? Wow [X(].... sorry, just being picayune [:D]

Nice one, warspite1. Clearly he doesn't know when he's wrong. [:D]

I clearly know what the documented stuff says. And I clearly know you haven't read that aforementioned documented stuff [:'(] In fact I only told you half of the story. There's a Part II for our Legionaire. After 20 years of service there is the reward. A chunk of land where he will be growing onions, fruit trees and live with his family.

I guess the Roman Emperors liked to waste time, resources and efforts with cadavers [:D]

But if you write one or two more messages, yes, I will definitely not know what you are talking about, as you apparently want to cloud the discussion.

The purpose, I don't know. And in fact I don't want to know.

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Medicine, nutrition, sanitation, education, etc., etc. have influenced our lives so much. Go back to the dark ages? No thanks! [:-]

You forgot Coffee.[:-][&o][:)]

Best thing ever happened, no "Points" in cars.  They were always a problem at one point or another.[:o][;)]

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

one thing about living in pre-industrial era world would be how relatively quiet it would be.
In an episode of twilight zone a scientist uses a time machine to bring someone from the old west to the present.
When he kills the scientist and reaches the streets of the city he is nearly paralyzed by the din.

I thought about that and I think cities have always had a reasonable amount of noise. That person may have freaked out in New York, 1875. Heavy industry was still located close to the workers, steam trains, hawkers, blacksmith's hammers (remember, they were once very common) and horse-shoes on cobblestones etc...

Historians consider the 1920s as when cities start to radically change and start to look more modern. Cars take over from horse transport and there are neon lights everywhere. The thing is, cars in say 1925 were really noisy. They had loud, quite large capacity engines, rudimentary mufflers and generally, noisy straight-cut gears. So I think the average noise level in cities would have increased quite a lot in the 1920s.

Cheers, Neilster