What's your Strategy?
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Good luck.
Are the both of you playing for overt VPs and is auto-vic on the table? Or is this a "for the journey" game?
ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder
If I was to play the Japanese now I would consider skipping the PH attack. Best case you sink a couple of obsolete battleships while leaving your carriers in an area where they can't support the critical advance into the DEI, Burma and perhaps India/Oz... Consider this
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder
If I was to play the Japanese now I would consider skipping the PH attack. Best case you sink a couple of obsolete battleships while leaving your carriers in an area where they can't support the critical advance into the DEI, Burma and perhaps India/Oz... Consider this
Also thinking about that.
However the KB in the DEI is a double edged sword.
Without the KB, i cannot advance anywhere in the pacific...not even Wake, Tarawa or Rabaul...let alone PM.
Also, from my tests, an attack against Manila isn't that usefull... those subs can be nasty, but Japan has other means to counter them...
The usual PH attack hurt the allied airforce, keep the repair yards busy for years and may also damage or sink some precious cruisers.
I'm leaning towards what i did against QBall...Kaga in the DEI and the KB against PH, so having enough assets to support both a pacific and a DEI advance.
But i wanna test a bit more....
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Good luck.
Are the both of you playing for overt VPs and is auto-vic on the table? Or is this a "for the journey" game?
Didn't talk about it yet...will do asap!
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Good luck.
Are the both of you playing for overt VPs and is auto-vic on the table? Or is this a "for the journey" game?
Didn't talk about it yet...will do asap!
To be clear, I mean no insult or snark. Just an up-front clarification. Obvert had said at the end of the Jocke game that he has come around to the idea of playing for VPs and the pressure that puts on the moves.
ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder
If I was to play the Japanese now I would consider skipping the PH attack. Best case you sink a couple of obsolete battleships while leaving your carriers in an area where they can't support the critical advance into the DEI, Burma and perhaps India/Oz... Consider this
Also thinking about that.
However the KB in the DEI is a double edged sword.
Without the KB, i cannot advance anywhere in the pacific...not even Wake, Tarawa or Rabaul...let alone PM.
Also, from my tests, an attack against Manila isn't that usefull... those subs can be nasty, but Japan has other means to counter them...
The usual PH attack hurt the allied airforce, keep the repair yards busy for years and may also damage or sink some precious cruisers.
I'm leaning towards what i did against QBall...Kaga in the DEI and the KB against PH, so having enough assets to support both a pacific and a DEI advance.
But i wanna test a bit more....
Having just been on the receiving end of a Manila strike only I can offer some input. Of 27 submarines at Manila all were sunk. KB then disappeared and did not support further operations in the DEI. CV Kaga and all the CVL/CVE's are enough to support operations in the DEI. Factor in the Betty/Nell threat once based in the DEI and there is little need to add KB. KB is certainly capable of taking out the submarine threat at Manila and still be available for operations in the Central or Southeast Pacific as early as January 42, even sooner if needed. Is it better to take out the submarine threat rather than damage as much of the American surface force at Pearl Harbor? I don't know. Personally I like having the fleet intact and providing I don't squander the surface assets they may have a far reaching impact. Do I miss the submarines? Sure, but we all know how ineffective they are for all of 1942 and the number of reinforcements is substantial. Time will tell.
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder
If I was to play the Japanese now I would consider skipping the PH attack. Best case you sink a couple of obsolete battleships while leaving your carriers in an area where they can't support the critical advance into the DEI, Burma and perhaps India/Oz... Consider this
Also thinking about that.
However the KB in the DEI is a double edged sword.
Without the KB, i cannot advance anywhere in the pacific...not even Wake, Tarawa or Rabaul...let alone PM.
Also, from my tests, an attack against Manila isn't that usefull... those subs can be nasty, but Japan has other means to counter them...
The usual PH attack hurt the allied airforce, keep the repair yards busy for years and may also damage or sink some precious cruisers.
I'm leaning towards what i did against QBall...Kaga in the DEI and the KB against PH, so having enough assets to support both a pacific and a DEI advance.
But i wanna test a bit more....
Hi, this will be your IJA front-line until Ki-61-Ia (68th and 78th Sentais can be equipped withORIGINAL: GreyJoy
With PDU OFF only 4x42 Sentais can upgrade to mr.Tojo...and only 1 to KI-44a...which means that at best you're gonna have 160 Tojos (a, b and c) only by dec 1942 (if you heavily research the Tojo line so to have both the b and c version).
Right.ORIGINAL: koniu
It is not passable to downgrade model with PDU OFF. Right?
ORIGINAL: cohimbra
My opinion is that some house rules twist the strategic decisions on the employment of the KB on turn 1. Manila is in range of Japanese LBA. The only reason most use to strike the Port with the KB is one port strike on the first turn house rule. I play both sides, and never restrict port attacks, but also allow the Allied player to set the PI squadrons to CAP consistent with the Brit squadrons in Malayasia (30-40%). This accounts for the warning the Pearl Attack gives the MacArthur's Air Force before dawn on 8 Dec, but the first turn surprise rule accounts for the Allies significant underestimation of Japanese aircraft range. If I attack the port at Manila with LBA from Formosa, I tend to get very reasonable results. I lose a number of Japanese aircraft and crews as a penalty for not suppressing the airfields first, but damage and sink an number of ships and subs. The only issue I find is the high experience Nell and Beatty crews tend to carry the wrong load-out for the target, carrying the BB killer single large bomb instead of a more appropriate 4 X 250KG load. This is a minor game engine flaw.ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder
If I was to play the Japanese now I would consider skipping the PH attack. Best case you sink a couple of obsolete battleships while leaving your carriers in an area where they can't support the critical advance into the DEI, Burma and perhaps India/Oz... Consider this
Also thinking about that.
However the KB in the DEI is a double edged sword.
Without the KB, i cannot advance anywhere in the pacific...not even Wake, Tarawa or Rabaul...let alone PM.
Also, from my tests, an attack against Manila isn't that usefull... those subs can be nasty, but Japan has other means to counter them...
The usual PH attack hurt the allied airforce, keep the repair yards busy for years and may also damage or sink some precious cruisers.
I'm leaning towards what i did against QBall...Kaga in the DEI and the KB against PH, so having enough assets to support both a pacific and a DEI advance.
But i wanna test a bit more....
Having just been on the receiving end of a Manila strike only I can offer some input. Of 27 submarines at Manila all were sunk. KB then disappeared and did not support further operations in the DEI. CV Kaga and all the CVL/CVE's are enough to support operations in the DEI. Factor in the Betty/Nell threat once based in the DEI and there is little need to add KB. KB is certainly capable of taking out the submarine threat at Manila and still be available for operations in the Central or Southeast Pacific as early as January 42, even sooner if needed. Is it better to take out the submarine threat rather than damage as much of the American surface force at Pearl Harbor? I don't know. Personally I like having the fleet intact and providing I don't squander the surface assets they may have a far reaching impact. Do I miss the submarines? Sure, but we all know how ineffective they are for all of 1942 and the number of reinforcements is substantial. Time will tell.
This is a very real issue; however, it can be largely mitigated with modest expansions of the A6M and D4Y research lines and ensuring you maintain 500+ engines in the relevant pools as early as possible. To my view, you will need a modest sized, broad based research approach with a larger initial investment in engine research and factory expansion to get the most out of your airforces.ORIGINAL: koniu
Accelerating Carriers.
You will have problems with air groups that arrive with accelerated carriers.
Most of them arrive with A6M5b/c, B6N1/2 and D4Y models. You must be aware that You can stuck with groups that can fly models that will enter production in the future. So in extreme cases it can be months before unit can take replacements.
It is not passable to downgrade model with PDU OFF. Right?
ORIGINAL: EHansen
You may not have as many other means to counter the Allied subs as you expect. You will have a number of IJA bomber units restricted to Ki-51 and Ki-51b for the entire war.
They have limited range and limited bomb load. You should expect your airborne ASW to be much weaker than your other games.
Regarding the effectiveness of CAP over Manila, et al, then do you play with first turn surprise = off?ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace
My opinion is that some house rules twist the strategic decisions on the employment of the KB on turn 1. Manila is in range of Japanese LBA. The only reason most use to strike the Port with the KB is one port strike on the first turn house rule. I play both sides, and never restrict port attacks, but also allow the Allied player to set the PI squadrons to CAP consistent with the Brit squadrons in Malayasia (30-40%). This accounts for the warning the Pearl Attack gives the MacArthur's Air Force before dawn on 8 Dec, but the first turn surprise rule accounts for the Allies significant underestimation of Japanese aircraft range. If I attack the port at Manila with LBA from Formosa, I tend to get very reasonable results. I lose a number of Japanese aircraft and crews as a penalty for not suppressing the airfields first, but damage and sink an number of ships and subs. The only issue I find is the high experience Nell and Beatty crews tend to carry the wrong load-out for the target, carrying the BB killer single large bomb instead of a more appropriate 4 X 250KG load. This is a minor game engine flaw.ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Also thinking about that.
However the KB in the DEI is a double edged sword.
Without the KB, i cannot advance anywhere in the pacific...not even Wake, Tarawa or Rabaul...let alone PM.
Also, from my tests, an attack against Manila isn't that usefull... those subs can be nasty, but Japan has other means to counter them...
The usual PH attack hurt the allied airforce, keep the repair yards busy for years and may also damage or sink some precious cruisers.
I'm leaning towards what i did against QBall...Kaga in the DEI and the KB against PH, so having enough assets to support both a pacific and a DEI advance.
But i wanna test a bit more....
Having just been on the receiving end of a Manila strike only I can offer some input. Of 27 submarines at Manila all were sunk. KB then disappeared and did not support further operations in the DEI. CV Kaga and all the CVL/CVE's are enough to support operations in the DEI. Factor in the Betty/Nell threat once based in the DEI and there is little need to add KB. KB is certainly capable of taking out the submarine threat at Manila and still be available for operations in the Central or Southeast Pacific as early as January 42, even sooner if needed. Is it better to take out the submarine threat rather than damage as much of the American surface force at Pearl Harbor? I don't know. Personally I like having the fleet intact and providing I don't squander the surface assets they may have a far reaching impact. Do I miss the submarines? Sure, but we all know how ineffective they are for all of 1942 and the number of reinforcements is substantial. Time will tell.
For those who argue against this, I would note that only a single Asiatic Fleet submarine in port at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor responded by putting to sea before dawn broke over the Philippines. This situation did not change throughout the day as the weather cleared over Formosa and the Japanese began striking the airfields on the PI. It took a while for the true scale of the risk the Asiatic Fleet was in to become clear.