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They use to call Gold to the edition of the game when it's totally bug free and complete. Sometimes they add some scenarios or extra things but mainly that is it. They call it Gold when the game is like it was supposed to be when the first versión came to the market.[:@]

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

Hi,

I play it from Mac OS using DOSBox, and haven't got any problems. You can use 3RGold to implement some of the variants, and fix some BRP problems in the game.

I have a blog where I'm writing an AAR (the full play, 21 entries by now) about 3R PC Version, if you are interested:

http://cabezadepuente.blogspot.com/

It's in spanish, though.

It has been my favorite wargame, until I have discovered MWiF...

Jose HELP!

Bo

XDDD a Little too much to translate all that stuff... Although most are graphics but anyway. [;)]

ORIGINAL: Twisted1
3RGold
OK, I give. What is this and where can I get it? I am sorry I never heard of this before.

It was a game editor for Third Reich PC. See 3R GOLD. I used it some and still have it someplace; it helped with some things. Not sure if it is still available?

This was the very first WWII strategic game I every got. For $3 at a Garage sale. It got me hooked as a kid in high school.

Later I played A3R with Rising Sun with some friends for a couple of years. The research and political rules were kind of cool. The interface between Pacific and European was rather clunky though.

But it just doesn't compare to WiF. I especially never liked the one turn smash of Russia. Or the fact that no defense at all was better than a bad defense because of the way the exploitation rules worked.

This is a good site for old Dos games, abandonware. free donation

http://www.gameswin.org/index.php

strategy games here
http://www.gameswin.org/gameen.php?categoria=strategy

Third Reich
http://www.gameswin.org/gameen.php?id=1140

Later I played A3R with Rising Sun with some friends for a couple of years

Sorry I ever bought this! I can not give it away. Real dog.

Now, the John Prados Third Reich remake is GREAT! Second favorite war game. Play it about once a year. Ran a game at Origins and it was a blast!

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/ ... hird-reich

3R rules are quite easier compared to WiF, but the difficulty comes to play it well. Sorry for the cliché but it's an "easy to learn, hard to master" thing. Think of chess, for instance. Rules aren't complicated, you can move a piece in 5 seconds, but you may think about your move for two days.

I used to spend a few days of thinking for every turn, searching alternatives, comparing attack odds... etc... actually, every turn took me longer than an impulse in MWiF (I guess my strategy here has to improve too...).

3RGold is an editor for the 3R PC Version. You could change some data from a game saved file like BRPs, SW, Force Pools... You can use it to solve some game bugs (BRPs loss twice when Axis take Suez, for instance) and to implement some variables that add some flavor to the game. Funny enough, it's just a creepy DOS editor, looks that it should be something like 4K, but it's kinda 600Mb (¿?). I guess it's just a CD mirror.

ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

3R rules are quite easier compared to WiF, but the difficulty comes to play it well. Sorry for the cliché but it's an "easy to learn, hard to master" thing. Think of chess, for instance. Rules aren't complicated, you can move a piece in 5 seconds, but you may think about your move for two days.

What is true for Third Reich is true many times over for WiF.

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

3R rules are quite easier compared to WiF, but the difficulty comes to play it well. Sorry for the cliché but it's an "easy to learn, hard to master" thing. Think of chess, for instance. Rules aren't complicated, you can move a piece in 5 seconds, but you may think about your move for two days.

What is true for Third Reich is true many times over for WiF.
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And that is true about many times over, except one thing 3rd Reich has an AI [:D]


Bo

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

3R rules are quite easier compared to WiF, but the difficulty comes to play it well. Sorry for the cliché but it's an "easy to learn, hard to master" thing. Think of chess, for instance. Rules aren't complicated, you can move a piece in 5 seconds, but you may think about your move for two days.

What is true for Third Reich is true many times over for WiF.
[/quote



And that is true about many times over, except one thing 3rd Reich has an AI [:D]


Bo

warspite1

It may have an AI, but as a game its not a patch on WIF [;)]

Which is the point. Simpler game - easier to get an AI. More complex game - it'll be a good long time.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck



What is true for Third Reich is true many times over for WiF.
[/quote



And that is true about many times over, except one thing 3rd Reich has an AI [:D]


Bo

warspite1

It may have an AI, but as a game its not a patch on WIF [;)]

Huh! Dont get it War, ever hear of this "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.


Bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Which is the point. Simpler game - easier to get an AI. More complex game - it'll be a good long time.

Sorry Paul dont have a good long time as do a lot of players my age, even if it is a simpler game it is better than nothing, which at the moment is what we have. [nothing[:(] ]

Bo

ORIGINAL: Twisted1

Later I played A3R with Rising Sun with some friends for a couple of years

Sorry I ever bought this! I can not give it away. Real dog.

Now, the John Prados Third Reich remake is GREAT! Second favorite war game. Play it about once a year. Ran a game at Origins and it was a blast!

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/ ... hird-reich

Hey Twisted is that a computer version or a board version?

Bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

What is true for Third Reich is true many times over for WiF.

Absolutely, I just haven't got to this point yet... Actually, the fact that there's so many more factors to take into account, doesn't allow me to compare properly all the possibilities... for now, I hope!

3R's major problem was the lack of resources to fix some really killer
Bugs. It was a good attempt. If AH had more desire/resorces
it would have been fantastic. But alas that wss not to be...

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Which is the point. Simpler game - easier to get an AI. More complex game - it'll be a good long time.

Sorry Paul dont have a good long time as do a lot of players my age, even if it is a simpler game it is better than nothing, which at the moment is what we have. [nothing[:(] ]

Bo

From an optimistic perspective I hope we are both still here when the AI gets done.

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

3R's major problem was the lack of resources to fix some really killer
Bugs. It was a good attempt. If AH had more desire/resorces
it would have been fantastic. But alas that wss not to be...

Hi Flip

Really killer bugs now I am really confused [:(] , easy to do of course. I played several games straight through these last few weeks, and have not seen one bug yet.

What are you referring to? The AI is very good when it is the Axis but not so good as the allies, very good in naval operations as the allies. There is a patch called 1.38, not sure whether I have it or not cant tell. I have read the patch really changed the game, not sure how.

I have not played it in years and I am still a little rusty, I usually play as the axis because it is the Germans who set the pace of the game. The Axis AI thrased me the other day. The only complaint I have is the speed of the AI and I do not know how to slow it down, it averages about 2 or three minutes to do all its moves, I know that sounds good but when you have to intercept naval or air it is hard to find where the interception should be directed.

Bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Which is the point. Simpler game - easier to get an AI. More complex game - it'll be a good long time.

Sorry Paul dont have a good long time as do a lot of players my age, even if it is a simpler game it is better than nothing, which at the moment is what we have. [nothing[:(] ]

Bo

From an optimistic perspective I hope we are both still here when the AI gets done.

Or at least be in a good nursing home that allows computers. [;)]

Bo

Just checked out my version of 3rd Reich and it is 1.38 that is why I am having not one bit of trouble with the game,it is fast and smooth and a great diversion waiting for MWIF.

The game is at old-games.com





Bo