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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:23 am
by rbrunsman
Gary had a turn and then I kicked his *** ;), but I'll wait until he posts so we don't get out of synch again.

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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:45 pm
by Gary Tatro
I am your host Bob and with me today, back from his hospital stay due to a bullet wound is Dick. Well Dick we have another exciting episode of WCWT today don't we.
Yes we do Bob it has been a tough match so far for both teams. It is hard to determine who is winning. But let us break down the map a little in the North Captain Tatro is dominating. He took out another 2 platoons of ski infantry and a platoon of ATG's along with a halftrack.
In the Center it is currently a toss up. It appears that both Team USA and Team Germany have equal sized forces and neither can get the upper hand as the pummel each other into mutual extinction.
Now in the South, Team USA was devistated last turn by a vicious blitz attack by the EVIL Captain Rburnsman, starting with halftracks loaded with ski infantry, followed by Pzk IV's, followed by PZK IIIL's, followed by Tigers, followed by motorized 81mm artillary. Uggh. Tatro lost 3 Greyhounds and a M4. He was able to sneak a Ranger in and kill one of the PZK IV's but winning the booby prize in this contest does not move you to the next round.
That is right Dick. Well one thing I can say for sure is that the ATG's of Captain Rbrunsman are starting to pay for themselves. Last turn I counted 3 AFV's destroyed by them. Between that, the terrain, and Team Germany I think that Captain Tatro may have met his match this time. Join us next time when we hear Captain Tatro say "OUCH"

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:00 pm
by rbrunsman
I'll just say that after Gary's initial blitz that put me on the ropes, I spent a day at hospital also (real world work actually) thinking about how to handle the serious blow I had suffered. I had a revelation and put my plan to work. Now we sort of have a punch, counter punch match going without it really being a toe-to-toe slugfest. This is a real "sweet science" boxing match and the winner will be the one who doesn't make a mistake (it is too close to determine if a small mistake or a big mistake will turn the tide of battle).

And yes, I will retract, for now, my disdain for AT Guns. It is satisfying to see an AFV trundle down a road and have it blasted with one shot from your hidden AT Gun. Picture the the scene in Saving Private Ryan where that Sdkfz gets taken out by the bazooka team.

Oh, and Gary lost a bunch of HTs and M15s in the middle during my turn. :) So, he may change his opinion about who has the upper hand in the middle of the map.

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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:46 am
by Gary Tatro
I am your host Bob and with me as all ways is Dick. Well Dick we have an interesting episode of WCWT today. Captain Tatro gets a spanking.
Yes Bob this sure is a change from our ussual reporting. Well it was bound to happen sometime. Lets take a look and see what Captain Rbrunsman is doing to bring Team USA to its knees.
Well Dick first and formost Captain Rbrunsman is using all of his SDKFZ 251/2 artillary in a direct fire mode as tanks. This is giving him a additional amount of added fire power needed to make up for his earlyer losses and has put him in a definate position of authority on the battle field. It appears that Captain Tatro is in full retreat. Which in my opinion is a good idea. Team Germany has successfully trashed Team USA's center combat force and continues to harras the Northern force with ATG's which continue to take their toll. According to our estimates Captain Rbrunsman has a platoon of Pzkd IV's, 2 Tigers, 2 Pzkd IIIL's, 2 Panthers, and 2 full platoons of Sdkfz 251/2's left to clean up the battle field with.
Yes Dick it sure will be difficult for Captain Tatro to deal with that force. Wait a minute here is Captain Tatro now. Captain Tatro what do you have to say about how the battle is going so far.
OUCH!
Ouch, what a statement from Captain Tatro, well join us next time when we see if Captain Rbrunsman can finish the task.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:30 am
by rbrunsman
I suspect this battle is far from over. I think Captain Tatro is sowing disinformation to draw me into a trap. Rest assured (and scared) that I shall be methodical in my attack. There is still plenty of time left for this battle to go either way.

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:31 am
by rbrunsman
Not much happened on my turn. I got an M15 TD, that's about it. This was a consolidation and scouting turn for me.

I'm getting sick of those 4.2 inch mortars. Gary is dropping them all (x8) in one large group. He even disregards the fact that he has Rangers in the blast radius if he thinks he can hurt me.

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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:54 pm
by Gary Tatro
I am your host Bob and with me as always is Dick. Well Dick what a show we have for our viewers today.
Yes Bob talk about a come back. When all things looked bleak Captain Tatro dug deap and pulled out a HUGE upper cut to Team Germany this round. As we watch the replay last turn Captain Tatro was very careful with his placement of units and had set up for another blitz attack after his artillary had landed and that is just what he did. I counted a platoon of Halftracks and Ski infantry, two Sdkfz's and two more PzkdIV's. Captain Tatro even took out a 50mm ATG at 20 hexes with thoughs M15A. That is one fine piece of USA enginering wouldn't you say Bob.
That is right Dick! What a game, what a show this has got to be one of the best games in the WCWT to date. Each team has now taken two viscious punches, I think it will be the Captain that can land the third punch will be the victor in this contest. But you will have to just wait and see. So join us next time and find out.

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:50 am
by rbrunsman
My infantry is valiantly sacrificing itself (and after all, isn't that what ski troops are for :) ) so that the AFVs can deliver the blows they must in order for Germany to win. However, the sissies wrapped in armor keep choaking the radio lines with complaints about mortars continuously raining down. I tell them to close their hatches and stop worrying so much about a little noise, but to no avail. The bastards just can't/won't do what I am asking of them. If they don't get it together soon...

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:41 pm
by Gary Tatro
I am your host Bob and with me today like ussual is Dick. Well Dick kind of a tame WCWT today. It seems like both Teams are taking a break to regroup a little as they plan their next actions.
Yes Bob though we have seen some movement in the last round down South as Team Germany continues to push forward with the units that are not suppressed by Captain Tatro's artillary. Captain Rbrunsman took out two more Rangers squads during his turn. While Captain Tatro continued his flanking menuvers in the center and managaged to take out another Platoon of Ski infantry and another Skdf 252/1, but he was careless and lost a beautiful M4 that had not even fired a shot the whole game to a ATG shot from 1000 meters.
Ouch that has got to hurt A Dick.
Yes Bob, it will be interesting to see how the next few turns play out. Team USA's artillary is really starting to take its toll on Team Germany now as we saw both of Captain Rbrunsman's Tigers retreat this turn. Also both teams have agreed not to call for reinforcements untill turn 10 of the game which is fast approaching. It will be interesting to see what each team brings to the board to try to counter the other, considering there is only 20 turns in the match I wounder if either side will make a reinfrocement request. Well that is all the time for today. Join us next time when we hear Captain Rbrunsman again say "GOD I HATE USA ARTILLARY!!!"

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:21 pm
by rbrunsman
Those **** Tigers were the ones I was refering to on my last post. They were routed during my turn and they hadn't even taken any fire the turn before or the turn before that. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? They better make up for their cowardice or they shall be sumarily shot after this battle, if they survive.

I have surmised that Gary has all his mortars clustered around an ammo dump since the arty is not slowing down. I wasn't too afraid of a few 4.2 inch rounds since the loadout on them is only 30 rnds. But with them next to an ammo dump, it is murder. I think Gary did some research on my play style and found a weakness of mine: I'll suffer the arty, rally and move forward. I rarely worry about counterbattery fire on the OB stuff. Gary took quite a risk doing that, but it is paying off for him... unless I can get a couple tanks over there, since I know exactly where the fire is coming from. I won't make that mistake if we have another match.

edit: GOD I HATE THAT US ARTY!:mad: :mad: :(

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 12:51 pm
by VikingNo2
Got back today, and I hope you kill each other:rolleyes:

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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:34 pm
by Gary Tatro
I am your host Bob and a special guest with me today back from an undefined location is VikingNo2.
Well MR. VikingNo2 what do you think of the game so far.
GOD, CORE, COUNTRY.
Um ok, well we already know the code what do you think of the match.
How should I know Bob dude I have been out in some unknown location camping in a two man tent with a buddy of mine.
Really? Well you do not need to tell us to much about what you were doing out there! Why don't we look at the replay. Lets see Captain Rbrunsman's ATG continue to take their toll as they pop another M15A at over 1500 yards. While Captain Tatro continues to flank from the North finding and destroying another Pzk IV, two ATG's and a halftrack. But the Real stories of today are that Team USA has finally located and engaged Team Germany's two Tigers with Greyhounds, Bazoka teams and Rangers.
Also Captain Rbrunsman continues to push forward in the south With three tank and a halftrack.
Well it looks like that is all the time we have for today. Join us next time when we discuss what we believe each team will be purchasing for reinforcements.

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 8:16 pm
by rbrunsman
Talk about ATGs! Gary's 3" gun took out one of my tanks as it crested a low burm at the southern end of the field at 1700 yards! My other tank crew reported in, "Sir, yes, I know it's dangerous, but there is no way that 3" gun is going to hit 2 of us at that distance. We're going to.... hisss... static...." Two shots 2 kills. That hurts!

My Tigers are certainly very thick skinned even though they behave like the Cowardly Lion. No damage so far to them even after being blasted by 4.2 inch mortars and M1 Bazookas and M8 greyhound rounds. However, I think their total kill count is 1 M1 Bazooka Team and that was an incidental kill from splash damage only.

Gary has so many Greyhounds and M15s that it is hard to deal with them. They are still swarming and I can't figure out how to handle them. I get 1 or 2 op fire shots and then I get assaulted 4 or 5 times by Rangers and shot at a bunch of times with little 37mm guns and then bombarded with the mortars. It is very discouraging. We'll see if the reinforcements can deal with them.

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:24 pm
by VikingNo2
Well RB get use to it, the army of bees is one of Garys favoright tactics.

Very good looking battle, reminds me of two beat up fighters each know if they can just land one more punch :cool:

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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:17 pm
by Gary Tatro
I am your host Bob and back with me today is Dick. Well Dick it looks like Captain Tatro's charge on the two Tigers of Team Germany was rather short lived.
Yes Bob Captain Rbrunsman brought up a Panther and a Sdkz 252/1 as support, Captain Tatro took a couple of pot shots and then pulled back. Greyhounds are just no match for Tigers and Panthers, but he did leave them with a parting gift of about 30 rounds of 4.2 mortors.
That he did Dick, not much going on in the North or the middle of the map, but in the South we had the Tiger entertainment and Captain Rbrunsman's Southern push that has seemed to have stalled out some. It continues to loose units, this turn he lost a crew, a halftrack, and a ski infantry and his remaining three PZ IIIl's took shots from ATG's M4's, M15A's and Greyhounds. But miraculously made it through without one shot penitrating.
Yes Bob but the real story today is that we have REINFORCEMENTS ON THE BOARD. Thats right folks Captain Rbrunsman did not waist any time and quickly called for and recieved his reinfrocements right on turn 10. Well that will do it I am sure that Captain Tatro will respond in kind.
I'm sure he will but what will he get is the question.
Join us next time as we find out if Captain Tatro can hold out till his reinforcements arrive.

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:32 am
by rbrunsman
Since you killed all my cannon fodder troops I had to bring more online for you to blast at.

By the way, I have noticed that you are not bashfull about bailing your crews from your M8s and such if you feel like they are in a postion to be hit by AP fire. Very clever way to save the vehicle since I can't shoot at abandoned vehicles. But it has occured to me that when you bail a vehicle, your opponent automatically gets credit for a kill. At least that's how I think it works. Does anyone know if I'm right about that?

And VikingNo2, I haven't gotten a punch in in some time. I'm only jabbing to keep Gary away. He is moving too quickly. And that **** Arty is really annoying!:mad:

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 1:53 am
by Gary Tatro
Originally posted by rbrunsman
By the way, I have noticed that you are not bashfull about bailing your crews from your M8s and such if you feel like they are in a postion to be hit by AP fire. Very clever way to save the vehicle since I can't shoot at abandoned vehicles. But it has occured to me that when you bail a vehicle, your opponent automatically gets credit for a kill. At least that's how I think it works. Does anyone know if I'm right about that?
**** Arty is really annoying!:mad:


Rbrunsman I believe you are right but this is only counted when the game ends and if you have control of the map. So if your crew jumps out and then gets back in no scoring occurs. At least that is how I think it works.

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:00 am
by Belisarius
Then again, all you need to do is to keep a bullet or two whizzing past the crew every now and then, and they'll NEVER re-crew their ride. :)

Or kill one of them. If the crew suffers damage, they can't re-enter.

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:59 am
by Capt. Pixel
Originally posted by Belisarius
Then again, all you need to do is to keep a bullet or two whizzing past the crew every now and then, and they'll NEVER re-crew their ride. :)

Or kill one of them. If the crew suffers damage, they can't re-enter.


I have had that happen, where the crew takes casualties and still manages to recrew the vehicle. (An Sdkfz222 just last night)

Of course, the 222 was immobilized and weaponless. :rolleyes:

Reduced-size crews lose effectiveness in movement and fire when they recrew the vehicle.

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:47 am
by rbrunsman
Unfortunately for me I haven't been able to exploit the situation when I see Gary bail a crew. He usually does it to pop smoke in front of an exposed AFV so I can only hit it with mortar fire which I have plenty of higher priority targets for.

This tactic is not recommended when you are fighting against the U.S. because they can immediately drop mortars on your crew and that quick bail-out, bail-in tactic will leave you with just a pinned crew and an useless empty AFV.