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For turn-based IGOUGO, I would think games with separate move/combat phases also addresses this time space issue correctly.

Yes, just like most board games. Seems the PC game designers never quite got the concept.

The best PC game that got this time space deal sorted was way way back when Avalon Hill ( a noted boardgame company) first dabbled in to PC games. They had a series of games, can't recall the name now, but they had a Stalingrad title for one of them. Anyway they involved each player plotting his units moves (read issue orders) then executing each players orders. The game provided excellent results. Pity that concept was not enhanced or taken up by modern developers. It was cool.

Separate move/combat phases doesn't address the issue of combat taking place during different times in the same turn. For instance, being able to create a gap and exploit it in the same turn. I think TOAW has a good turn system. It addresses the issue of some units waiting to see the results of other combats before deciding what to do and still having full movement available.

... they had a Stalingrad title for one of them.

Was it this one ?

Yes, thats it. Way ahead of its time [:)]

If you have an interest in those games and didn't know how to get them to work on the newer computers, go here : tm.asp?m=2523330&mpage=1&key=v4v

1992 or 3 - just got my first 386 - told the guy at the computer store what I liked and he said "you might be interested in this" and showed me Velikiye Luki. I swear to God when I got home and loaded it up I wept tears of happiness. One of the best days of my life.

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1992 or 3 - just got my first 386 - told the guy at the computer store what I liked and he said "you might be interested in this" and showed me Velikiye Luki. I swear to God when I got home and loaded it up I wept tears of happiness. One of the best days of my life.

Looks like all the V for Victory games are abandonware now. You'll need to fire up DOSBOX for this one of course.

http://www.myabandonware.com/game/v-for ... q#download

I'd have to say this game still looks very playable.

It's a pity AH did not survive. As I truly think we would have had a much better range of PC wargames than we now have. Even if those V4V games were simply given a 2015 facelift they would run rings around most current titles on similar subjects.

I'd have to say this game still looks very playable.

It is.... very. And their offspring - the World at War series - see the screenie of Stalingrad above. Actually, I have touted in this forum before the command structure/supply rules of D-Day America Invades. It is the most elegant treatment of command span and supply I have ever seen. Somebody please check it out and give an Amen...

And who cares about abandonware - I still have all the V4V and WaW boxes (and floppies [:D])

AMEN !! And as they say downtown, 'I been knowed dat'. I've been touting also, but so far to little or no effect. There are future plans and I, you and a few others would love to see the VFV Supply and Attachment system used as a model for whatever evolves.

How come the easy good stuff gets left behind while new and improved gets clunky and difficult ?

I think AGEOD games work this way. They have other issues, though.