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ORIGINAL: berto

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

ORIGINAL: Treale

I'm not picking on any particular game, but don't confuse a good AI with an AI that cheats!

All AI cheat. It is part of the program, how they cheat is important but they all do.

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Simply not true.

-1 to berto.

You've failed to define "cheat" before saying "no".

Do you mean - instant reactions, production bonus, omniscient view of the galaxy or anything else which might be considered to be a "cheat" (to limit it to a DW contect)? If you examine any one of these and find the equivalents in any other (roughly similar) game , you're nearly guaranteed to find at least one instance of "cheating".

Yes, I think Twitribes is probably right. Writing an epic scale 4x game without any cheating (of any form) by the AI is probably something we won't see for a while.

caveat: I'm referring only to "decent" or better games. I'm sure there's a lot of absolutely crap games out there that don't do any cheating... or much of anything for that matter. I'm sure you can find something on Steam that doesn't cheat at all.

Empire Deluxe Enhanced Edition. Hands down.

Kayoz..berto is not wrong..we aren't talking about epic 4x games but wargames in general. He is right not all AI's in wargames cheat. Some go by the exact same rules as the human player.

Also just so you know Command Ops is certainly not a crap game..infact it's one of the best wargames out there.

If you don't like the AI, try CTGW in MP, "Beats any AI".[;)]

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

ORIGINAL: Treale

I'm not picking on any particular game, but don't confuse a good AI with an AI that cheats!

All AI cheat. It is part of the program, how they cheat is important but they all do.

So how does Fritz 14 cheat?

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

ORIGINAL: Treale

I'm not picking on any particular game, but don't confuse a good AI with an AI that cheats!

All AI cheat. It is part of the program, how they cheat is important but they all do.

So how does Fritz 14 cheat?

It's that damn KID, man!

ORIGINAL: wodin

Not all AI's..I believe Command Ops doesn't have a cheating AI and I'm sure Combat Mission X2 doesn't either.

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

ORIGINAL: Treale

I'm not picking on any particular game, but don't confuse a good AI with an AI that cheats!

All AI cheat. It is part of the program, how they cheat is important but they all do.

Combat Mission I and II though "need" a cheating ai. It's so predictable every game. If you go up the sides in both versions with a healthy frontal feint you can flank it every time.

ORIGINAL: Arjuna

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

ORIGINAL: Treale

I'm not picking on any particular game, but don't confuse a good AI with an AI that cheats!

All AI cheat. It is part of the program, how they cheat is important but they all do.

Not so. Our Command Ops AI does not cheat. It accesses information exactly the same way as the human player does through intel reports from its units. Nor can it get more resources or do more with the ones it has.

Sorry I forgot to mention this because to me it's COTA but yes a very good and honest AI but an entirely different game.

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Twotribes



All AI cheat. It is part of the program, how they cheat is important but they all do.

So how does Fritz 14 cheat?

It's that damn KID, man!

Maybe. But so much for his blanket statement.....

I must weigh in with my irreverent, but ACCURATE, response. Any game you PBEM with warspite1 has the best AI-that is his artificial intelligence.[8D]

Seem to recall the AI in Scourge of War is quite good. Not sure if I'm allowed to talk about that game? [:D]

I would agree...[;)]

ORIGINAL: parusski

I must weigh in with my irreverent, but ACCURATE, response. Any game you PBEM with warspite1 has the best AI-that is his artificial intelligence.[8D]

hahaha roflmao that was good Par. I nearly choked on my 'milk'.[:D]

Europa Universalis IV has a very powerful AI, and I´m sure Hearts of Iron IV will reach the same level. Both of them use the clausewitz engine. Probably the more tactical is a wargame the more difficult is to program the ai.

Also Heroes III of Might and Magic+Horn of the Abyss (free expansion).